THe bare cheek!!

[John Spong is wrong]

Legal loopholes mean women can bare all on the World Naked Bike Ride, provided they remain in the saddle at all times.
For men, a strategically placed sock could prevent them getting booked.

I cant for the life of me imagine how such an event could possibly glorify God, therefore it seems to me to be of no use. In fact it seems to me that the event is more geared toward live porn, and should be condemned on that basis alone. Possibly a deterent to similar future events would be an audience that turns out in mass to point and laugh

Yep, I agree - it's just an excuse for soft porn.

 

[tgg]

SCRIPTURES INVOLVING NAKEDNESS IN THE BIBLE
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(Genesis 2:25, 3:11) God never told Adam and Eve they were naked.

(Genesis 3:7, 3:11) Man clothed himself after he sinned, because of fear and as a self-righteous act to redeem himself.

(Genesis 1:31) God declared His handiwork, including the nude human figure, is "very good".

(Micah 1:8 ) Prophets were known for prophesying in the nude. (See below.)

(1 Samuel 19:23-24) Saul, Samuel and all those who went before him, prophesied naked "all day long" after the Holy Spirit of God came on them. (see quotation below)

(Isaiah 20:2-4) Isaiah was commanded by God to go naked before everyone for 3 years as a sign. God who hates sin does not command people to something sinful or wrong. (see quotation below)

(2 Samuel 6:14) David danced naked, i.e. wearing a vest (or "linen ephod") before all Israel as an "act of worship" to God. Michal claimed he was acting as a "vulgar man would," but was cursed for her rebukes.

(Mark 14:51) A follower of Jesus fled naked from the Garden of Gethsemane during the arrest. He had come out to see it, dressed only in a light linen night covering.

(John 19:23) Jesus was hung on the cross completely naked, the way Romans crucified all their victims.

(John 21:7) Peter, one of the twelve disciples of Jesus, fished naked, and was doing so when Jesus came to him after he was resurrected. It was customary for people to work without the encumbrance of clothing in those days.

(Galatians 5:16; Titus 1:15) A transformed, purified heart is stronger than clothing, to keep you free from lust and sin.

(Matt 25:41-43) "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me."

There is no sin in being homeless, hungry, thirsty or even naked here. The sin is in seeing a need and choosing not to fill it. Those who were naked were so because of poverty. It is similar to our homeless people today.

SCRIPTURES THAT SUPPORT NATURISM
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Gen 1:31 "and God saw ALL that He had made, and it was very good."

Gen 2:25 "and they were naked and felt no shame ..."

Exodus 22:26-27 "If ever you take your neighbour's garment in pledge, you shall restore it to him before the sun goes down; for that is his only covering, it is his mantle for his body; in what else shall he sleep?"

God's focus here is on the man's comfort when he sleeps in the cool of the evening rather than on the fact that he might be naked during the daylight hours.

1 Sam 19:23-24 "and he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. 24 And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?"

The sense of the story is that public nudity was common and expected of the Hebrew prophets, and even served as a standard professional practice.

Isaiah 20:2-4 "at that time the LORD spoke through Isaiah son of Amoz. He said to him, "Take off the sackcloth from your body and the sandals from your feet." And he did so, going around stripped and barefoot. 3 Then the LORD said, "Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush, 4 so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared-to Egypt's shame."

Isaiah, the prophet, was commanded by God to go naked for three years as a witness against Egypt, of the shame they would suffer for not obeying God, and God would not command someone to sin. The shame they would suffer was not due to being naked, but rather not being able to care for their own bodies.

Matt 6:25-34 Jesus says, 25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature? 28 "So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you."

Mt 21:8 "And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road;"

Lk 12:22-24 "Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!"

Lk 12:27-28 "Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labour or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendour was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith!"

Rom. 14:14 "...I am fully convinced that nothing is unclean of itself. But if someone considers something unclean then for him it is unclean."

Col 2:23 "Such regulations indeed have the appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence."

2 Cor 5:17 "If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation"

1 Tim 4:4 "everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving..."

Tit 1:15 "To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure."

1 Pet 3:3 "Do not let your adornment be merely outward-arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel, 4 rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God."

Col 3:12 "Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience."

 

[norbie]

You got it right down the Bottom - so why don't you stick to it what Pope John Paul II said:
"Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness."
And your Bike ride in Publik deffently fell into this. And your Bible Verses? Far out!
And if Naturalists come out of there permitted Zone into Publik it became shameless, because you force your idea on other People. It's also about ethnic principles.
Norbie

 

[tigercub]

TGG, just because many places in the Bible refer to nakedness, doesn't mean it's right to be so in public.

Gotta love out of context quotes

Gen 2:25 "and they were naked and felt no shame ..."

That was before they chose to eat the fruit and be innocent no longer. What about that can you not understand TGG?

 

[eyesarebright]

And tgg everyone has their causes in life, and things they fight for and believe.
What you do is your business, what I do is mine.
I think you would be a boring person to talk to because you are only interested in your own things and repeat yourself constantly.
A wise man once said- you can only be either right(thinking you are right) or happy. Not both.
Go and start helping people, get off your high horse and
make the world a better place. Not just for your own cause.

 

[someone_else]

i don't see how most of those verse support your stand, example Mathew 6 and Luke 12 are not about walking around nude to me they are about remembering that God is our provider and we should not worry

anyway i would like to respond more but i have to go to work

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

I suspect we could refute every single one of those verses, but it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[TheDag]

I wondered tgg if you noticed that one of the verses you quoted as supporting naturism actually says that some will be naked to be shamed so one should draw the conclusion that it can be shameful to be naked.

 

[Bevlina]

Hey! Hang on! Dario has gotten into trouble from me for running around in the nuddie for years! Now don't pick on him. Give him a break. If he's caught streaking through the streets and the cops grab him, he's got himself to blame, but till then, everyones business is their own.

As for being a Christian, Dario is one of the finest young Christians I have met and we have been friends for a loooong time, even if he does shed his clothes, I haven't seen him in the nuddie, but ........


Dario! You been running around in your birthday suit again?!!!

 

[Bevlina]

http://www.questnews.com.au/article/2007/02/13/14778_wn_news.html



DARIO!!!!!! That's disgusting!

 

[tgg]

Not to be looked on as a fluke, Saturday May 5th is also the World Naked Gardening Day where citizens all over the world are being called upon to do their house and gardening duties the way that God intends for them.

This event has been around for a few years now, and should be a lot of fun.

I'm not known for having green fingers though, the only "gardening" I do is to put indoor plants out on the porch when it rains to get their fair share of water. ;-)

 

[tigercub]

Saturday May 5th is also the World Naked Gardening Day where citizens all over the world are being called upon to do their house and gardening duties the way that God intends for them.

So they do their gardening whilst praying?

 

[tgg]

Found this on a group I'm subscribed to, it's a letter to the site DOMAI:

Last year I did something I have been promising myself for a long time:
I finally joined a naturist club. Over the course of the summer, this
was to have profound effect on me, and on my views on what I found
attractive in women. At first, I was rather nervous, and spent most of
the time in the relative safety of the pool. Everywhere else, I felt
rather exposed and self-conscious, and very very aware of parts of me
moving around rather alarmingly. The possibility of becoming aroused
appalled me -- what would I do? -- and made me conscious of every
movement of my body.

Initially, it felt like complete sensory overload to be surrounded by so
many naked people. It is distinctly surreal to order a cup of tea,
chatting to the couple in front of me, knowing that none of us had a
stitch of clothing on. The whole thing seemed slightly ridiculous, and I
couldn't help feeling that everyone looked ridiculous -- myself
included. What on earth would my family think, if they could see my
wandering around in nothing but a pair of flip-flops? There were other
anxieties, too. On the one hand, my eyes wanted to look everywhere at
once, just to take it all in. My brain, on the other hand, wanted me to
look nowhere at all, to avoid the dreadful possibility of getting an
erection. This disaster never happened, and the worry eventually
subsided.

Outweighing all of this, though, was the sheer physical joy in being
naked in the sunshine, which just felt glorious. Swimming naked is such
a fundamental joy that it should be prescribed by doctors. I'm sure it
would have a noticeable effect on the nation's health.

I went back.

I think it was on my 3rd visit that I started to notice a distinct
difference in my state of mind. Something subtle had been working away
at me, something unexpected, and it was rearranging my neural
connections in a way that surprised me. After I had seen countless naked
people -- let's be honest, countless naked *women* -- the novelty
eventually started to wear off. The sexual side of me had calmed down,
and I found that something else was to come and take its place,
something that I now hold onto as being very precious and wonderful.

Firstly, I became aware of just how relaxed and at-ease I was
becoming -- and of how un-relaxed I must have been beforehand. I was
walking with a spring in my step, conscious of how deliciously wonderful
it was to be aware of my entire body, as one continuous uninterrupted
entity. I found myself smiling for no reason. I become completely
unaware, and completely unconcerned, of whether anyone was looking at
me. After all, they could see all of me in seconds, so what was the
point worrying about it? I was discovering a kind of openness that made
me feel quite childlike again.

I was also looking at people once again, but now in a different way. I
started noticing the astonishing variety in our bodies, something we
don't normally see when we are clothed. I saw the way skin changes
texture as it ages, the way that a woman can be indescribably beautiful
just by her posture alone, the way sunlight can turn fat and muscle into
a beautiful golden fabric. There is something utterly beguiling in
watching a body move, in seeing the play of light across the curves and
lines and textures.

Suddenly I started feeling that we are all beautiful, in our own way;
both skinny and plump, pale and tanned, young and old. And I realised
something else: clothes are just not designed for ordinary people. Yes,
a woman with a perfect body looks fantastic in almost anything. But real
women have big bums with slim legs, or chubby thighs and small breasts,
or a well-toned body with a bit of a belly. The clothes we are given
expose all the deviations from the idealâ with remorse cruelty, and make
us look ridiculous. But with no clothes, something rather lovely
happens: all that variation just adds to the sense of wonder, and of
beauty, and of *humanity*. It made me realise how incredibly harsh we
are on ourselves, and of course, on each other.

We judge ourselves relentlessly on how we look, which is probably the
most difficult thing for us to change. Why don't judge ourselves on how
kind we are, or how productive, or something else that we can actually
do something about? More to the point, why judge ourselves at all? To
see a 20 naked women is to see 20 unique people, each with their own
quirkiness, they own idiosyncracies, and their own beauty. It was a
genuine shock to realise that there was a beauty to all shapes and
sizes, not just the traditionally perfect ones. I have never been
attracted to larger ladies, but now I saw that there was beauty and
uniqueness in the curves that larger women have, and slimmer ones don't.
In fact, there is a beauty in all of us.

The critical point for me was that all this happened *after* my sexual
side had lost interest. The sexual response is driven by intrigue and
desire, by curiosity about that which is hidden. It's just not possible
to be endlessly desirous to see naked people when you are surrounded by
them. This doesn't mean that naturism is puritanical. It just means that
there is something else, some other way of responding to each other, and
to seeing ourselves in each other. This doesn't compete with sexuality,
or take away from it. It just adds another way of relating to each
other, one which I found enormously liberating. There is something
beyond desire, and beyond puerile curiosity, and that is appreciation
for ourselves as we actually are. For me, this is what DOMAI taps into.
Sure, there is porn in the world, and there always will be. But there is
also something else, which is the ability to look at each other with
wonder, and humanity, and to take delight in the simplest and most
natural thing in the world: we are beautiful to each other.
--Paul, London

 

[TheDag]

I found that interesting tgg. Interesting because I don't do the things Paul wants people to stop doing and I do look at people's uniqueness and appreciate it all while people are wearing clothes. There is not a single reason in there that I need to shed clothes for. If he has been unable to do that then it says more about the quality of Paul than anything else.

 

[kiwimac]

These gymnophobic mothers you talk of(which I find very offensive) are just prasticing their God given right to make this world a safe place for their children.
THAT is doing Gods' will.
Not riding around naked and selfishly pushing you views on others with no regard for any one else.

I disagree, we have had such events here in NZ. They are harmless unless you're convinced bodies are somehow 'yucky.'

 

[norbie]

I think our Tigercup is a little cheeky with her Prayer Statement? LOL
I do agree with tgg in one Thing: God doesn't make junk, and the new Human Body is created beautyful. Sad thing is that some people let themself go a little to much. Remember the Bible says 'your Body is a Temple'
So I say enjoy your Naturalismus in your own borders, maybe the CF is not the best Place to promote your Hobby??
Norbie

 

[tigercub]

We cover our naked bodies in public because Adam & Eve felt shame and did so after eating the naughty fruit. They were no longer perfect, hence the shame/sin all the stuff we have to deal with because we are born imperfect, due to that first sin.

Unless you have suddenly morphed into a perfect being Dario, you really can't say you are supposed to be nude at all times. Not if you want to be at all biblically adherent...

If you want to go a different way, the Bible says to obey to laws of your land (Romans 13)....well the laws of this land kind of forbids being nude in public. Before anyone says it, yes Peter the apostle did say obey God before men (Acts 5:29) but I hardly think you running about in your birthday suit constitutes righteous yet illegal activity.

 

[elm0]

One thing I've noticed whilst reading through this thread is that Dario only seems to post updates etc, and doesn't respond to any questions or criticisms from others... No real point anyone else saying anything then is there?

 

[tigercub]

What the heck does this article have to do with nudism, Dario?

Breastfeeding is a wonderful, natural thing. Please don't drag it into the mud with your perversion.

 

[tgg]

There is a good writeup about this event in the latest edition of The Australian Naturist magazine, as well as an article compiled by Angela Lund as to how Christian philosophy correlates to my lifestyle on page 41.

Check it out if you can.