The Atheist path; a path of liberation or of necessity?

[Tinker Grey]

Only because of safer vehicles and better emergency medical care. The problem of crashes remains.

You've moved the goal posts.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You've moved the goal posts.

Not at all, I just dug a little deeper into the topic. The true measure of human progress is,

Happiness, contentment.
Health.
Prosperity.
For the individual.

 

[Desk trauma]

Only because of safer vehicles and better emergency medical care. The problem of crashes remains. My point is that a whole new cause of death and injury was introduced with the automobile, with more on the way.

Fewer on the way actually. The automation of driving will drastically reduce fatalities from transportation.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Fewer on the way actually. The automation of driving will drastically reduce fatalities from transportation.

Sorry, I meant new causes of death and injury. Sports injuries are a good example of a growing trend.

Sports Injury Statistics | Johns Hopkins Medicine Health Library

 

[Tinker Grey]

You've moved the goal posts.

Not at all, I just dug a little deeper into the topic. The true measure of human progress is,

Happiness, contentment.
Health.
Prosperity.
For the individual.

FTR, crash data is hard to find. I found this though: https://elsnerlawfirm.com/car-accidents-rates-statistics/

Which notes this:
•1955-1965: 237 car accidents per 100,000 population
•2005-2015: 129 car accidents per 100,000 population

So yeah, crashes now are about 1/2 what they were 50 years ago.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

With a few blips, traffic fatalities per 100,000 have been decreasing pretty steadily since 1980. Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

The link cited crashes globally, which are likely to increase.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The link cited crashes globally, which are likely to increase.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Both links are for the US

 

[Ken-1122]

It shows that I am a more astute observer than most. The devil is in the hidden details.

Both good and bad are in the details. Are you capable of seeing both?

 

[Ken-1122]

This of course is nonsense. If I were to make a 'human progress graph' it would look like this,

Where we were ====
Where we are =========
Where we should be ==========================

True! if YOU made the graph; if someone else made it, it would look much different. Your trash is another mans treasure, and visa versa.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Both links are for the US

My original link. Road Crash Statistics

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Both good and bad are in the details. Are you capable of seeing both?

I laud the good but focus on improvement.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

True! if YOU made the graph; if someone else made it, it would look much different. Your trash is another mans treasure, and visa versa.

True, but I measure progress by where we should be, not where we are. One would think that a mature society wouldn't indulge in the crap that we do.

 

[Desk trauma]

True, but I measure progress by where we should be, not where we are. One would think that a mature society wouldn't indulge in the crap that we do.

A living example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

 

[Desk trauma]

I laud the good but focus on improvement.

I have yet to see you laud anything, only hold to the narrative of doom and gloom doggedly.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

A living example of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Look at my graph. The perfect hasn't impacted the good at all.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have yet to see you laud anything, only hold to the narrative of doom and gloom doggedly.

To address a problem you must first admit that it exists. The common blithe Pollyanna attitude just forestalls action.....like we see in the climate change issue, as well as many others.

Most aren't aware of our problems because they are not exposed to them, aren't impacted directly by them, or just don't care.

 

[Desk trauma]

Look at my graph. The perfect hasn't impacted the good at all.

There is no graph on the page you linked to.

 

[Desk trauma]

To address a problem you must first admit that it exists.

You having pointed to a real problem, only ignored evenidence contract to your narrative that things are getting worse rather then better.

The common blithe Pollyanna attitude just forestalls action.....like we see in the climate change issue, as well as many others.

No pollyanna, just data, which you are putting up a valiant effort to ignore.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

There is no graph on the page you linked to.

From post#116

Where we were ====
Where we are =========
Where we should be ==========================

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You having pointed to a real problem, only ignored evenidence contract to your narrative that things are getting worse rather then better.

Some things are indeed getting better, but overall things are getting worse. It's only a matter of time when the failing character and deliberate ignorance of mankind will reap it's full reward.

No pollyanna, just data, which you are putting up a valiant effort to ignore.

Positive data = Lipstick on a pig.