The atheist indoctrination project

[FadingWhispers3]

And which of these verses tells us that we're to "accept Jesus"?

Let me first ask you: what does to "accept Jesus" mean?

 

[WarEagle]

And which of these verses tells us that we're to "accept Jesus"?

Let me first ask you: what does to "accept Jesus" mean?

You're the one using the phrase, not me. If you don't even know what you mean, then how am I supposed to know what you mean?

 

[SaintInChicago]

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world . . .

 

[FadingWhispers3]

You're the one using the phrase, not me. If you don't even know what you mean, then how am I supposed to know what you mean?

Ah, but you see the Trinity isn't mentioned explicitly in the bible anywhere either. But I assume you take it to be true. Or else you are not so orthodox as you claim.

The Trinity is what we use to describe the Godhead.

How, then, is it unreasonable for people to use "accept Jesus" to describe salvation?

You yourself admit you do not know what I mean. How, then, do can you deny that it is supported by the bible?

If you do know, then you can refute it. But how can you when you do not?

So I ask you: What about the phrase "accept Jesus" do you find unfitting of salvation and what would you use instead? To be born again? Is it the way the phrase seemingly depends on man's will not God's? Is it the ambiguity of it?

 

[KalithAlur]

5 biblical contradictions selected for sake of convenience:

1) "... the earth abideth for ever." -- Ecclesiastes 1:4

"... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." -- 2Peter 3:10

2) "... I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." -- Genesis 32:30

"No man hath seen God at any time..."-- John 1:18

3) "... Thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God..." -- Leviticus 18:21

[In Judges, though, the tale of Jephthah, who led the Israelites against the Ammonoites, is being told. Being fearful of defeat, this good religious man sought to guarantee victory by getting god firmly on his side. So he prayed to god] "... If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering" (Judges 11:30-31).

[The terms were acceptable to god -- remember, he is supposed to be omniscient and know the future -- so he gave victory to Jephthah, and the first whatsoever that greeted him upon his glorious return was his daughter, as god surely knew would happen, if god is god. True to his vow, the general made a human sacrifice of his only child to god!] -- Judges 11:29-34

4) "... with God all things are possible." -- Matthew 19:26

"...The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron." -- Judges 1:19

5) "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." -- Ezekiel 18:20

"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation..." -- Exodus 20:5

 

[NiteClerk]

We home school, so it isn't a problem.

Our decision to homeschool didn't have anything to do with any sort of "indoctrination". We just believed that, as a family, we could do better than government schools are doing.

So far, we're right. Not only are our kids miles above their govenment schooled contemporaries, they're also learning things that public schools don't teach, including Latin (my son is thirteen and he already speaks Latin better than I do), rhetoric, philosophy, economics and the Bible.

And then there are things such as good manners, interacting with a wide variety of people, modesty, etc.

One of the things I've never liked about government schools is that they teach facts, but don't teach how those facts apply to the real world. We try to incorporate everything in a real world way.

Another thing I've never liked is that government schools don't teach children how to behave in different social settings. We do.

Knowing what I know now, there's no way I'd send my kids to government schools.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

That's great. I've actively raised my children. I just wish we could have home school them also. Bless you.

 

[WarEagle]

Ah, but you see the Trinity isn't mentioned explicitly in the bible anywhere either. But I assume you take it to be true. Or else you are not so orthodox as you claim.

The difference, of course, is that the Bible still teaches that God is one God, revealed in three co-equal, but seperate and distinct persons. Thus, the Trinity.

It does not teach that we are to "accept Jesus".

How, then, is it unreasonable for people to use "accept Jesus" to describe salvation?

Because the Bible doesn't teach it.

You yourself admit you do not know what I mean.

I didn't say I don't know what you mean. I said that you're the one who used the phrase, not me.

How, then, do can you deny that it is supported by the bible?

Because I know what the Bible says.

So I ask you: What about the phrase "accept Jesus" do you find unfitting of salvation and what would you use instead? To be born again? Is it the way the phrase seemingly depends on man's will not God's? Is it the ambiguity of it?

Nowhere in the Bible are we told to "accept" Jesus.

 

[igotbegot]

How can you call the absence of a belief, indoctrination?

So if someone has a belief that the earth was seeded by aliens and I'm not teaching that to my children, then I'm indoctrinating them with anti-alien teachings?

What????

This is ridiculous. Now swap out the word alien for God and you'll see it is no less ridiculous.