The atheist indoctrination project

[Vene]

We can document 80 years of what officially atheist regimes did. In that we can include the activity of Trofim Lysenko if you wish. He wasn't the only one, just the one which got the most people hurt. You want to see who has hurt and debased science? Look to the Lysenkoists. Look to the eugenicists of the progressive era in America.

To address your second point, I don't know anyone who says teaching science turns children into atheists.

Lysenko used bad science. He believed in Larmarkian Evolution.

 

[Voegelin]

Well that is quite a jump from teaching in schools to soviet communists torturing and brainwashing. I am frighten that you think there is a connection, there is not. No school in the US is brainwashing kids into Atheists

The history of what atheists have done when they had the power to do it cannot be dismissed by contending that it isn't happening here. From Bela Kun's Red Terror in Budapest in 1919 to the jailing of priests in Vietnam today, the story of regimes which declare themselves to be atheist is very similiar. Not one here and there. All of them. Why should we give atheists the benefit of the doubt? Why should we not be alarmed when Dawkins raises the questions "It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in?" ?

We know what other atheists who asked the very same questions did. Isn't it simply a normal reaction to recoil in horror when an atheist today asks the same questions? Should we not be alarmed when anyone, atheist or not, suggests the state take over a parent's natural role?

 

[Voegelin]

Lysenko used bad science. He believed in Larmarkian Evolution.

Yeah...I know. An officially atheist regime endorsed Lysenko's theories, wrecked the agriculture in their country and purged, imprisoned or killed those scientists who disagreed.

It was a brave new world Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, Stalin, Kaganovich and Lysenko were creating.

 

[Paulos23]

Well that is quite a jump from teaching in schools to soviet communists torturing and brainwashing. I am frighten that you think there is a connection, there is not. No school in the US is brainwashing kids into Atheists . .[/quote]

The history of what atheists have done when they had the power to do it cannot be dismissed by contending that it isn't happening here. From Bela Kun's Red Terror in Budapest in 1919 to the jailing of priests in Vietnam today, the story of regimes which declare themselves to be atheist is very similiar. Not one here and there. All of them. Why should we give atheists the benefit of the doubt? Why should we not be alarmed when Dawkins raises the questions "It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in?" ?

We know what other atheists who asked the very same questions did. Isn't it simply a normal reaction to recoil in horror when an atheist today asks the same questions? Should we not be alarmed when anyone, atheist or not, suggests the state take over a parent's natural role?

Atheism does not equate Communism
Communism has Atheism as part of its doctrine, but that does not mean the horrors and tragedies done under Communistic governments where done in the name of Atheism.

Stop building strawmen with this one please.

 

[ReverendDG]

Given that the area we live in is overwhelmingly white and wealthy, how many would there be if they were in a government school classroom?

quite a few, i live in a town of mostly wealthy older white people, but i know quite a few black people as well when i was in school,

You forget that one of the unique things about homeschooling is that the schooling is not limited to the classroom.

neither is public school, we did go to places when i was a kid, i will say not every day, but you are distorting what public schools do

Like I said, we make sure that the schooling incorporates real life applications, which means that they're out and about constantly putting their schoolwork to work by dealing with a wide variety of people.

well i'm glad for them

How many elderly people are in your children's classroom? How many crippled people? How many businesspeople? How many holocaust survivors do your children know? How many veterans?

you make it sound like they learn things only at schools, or that they never have people come in to visit

None. Your children are stuck in a room with a bunch of other children their age who are more or less exactly like them. Yes, they may have a differen skin color, but they're still children and do not have a variety of life experiences to share.

what life experiences does a person need if they are learning to learn?
i will admit there are problems with public schools, but you make it sound like homeschooling is somehow a magical fix.

Do children have the opportunity in their classrooms to exercise what they've learned in real life situations? Or do they just sit around memorizing facts and figures?

they do have a chance to use the skills they are taught, though it seems the government would rather they learn by rote and not learn anything.

How many are there is a government school classroom?

20 or so

How many depends on how many people my kids deal with on a given day.

yay for them

And the difference is that your children sit in a classroom with other children who are more or less exactly like they are, while my children are out in the real world learning how to interact and socialize with a wide variety of people.

wow isn't that special.. but i don't really think that says anything about which is better, just that you have the ability to choose what students learn, while a public school teacher doesn't


plus i don't see how thats a bad thing? do you really think school is the only place to learn things?

 

[ReverendDG]

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The history of what atheists have done when they had the power to do it cannot be dismissed by contending that it isn't happening here. From Bela Kun's Red Terror in Budapest in 1919 to the jailing of priests in Vietnam today, the story of regimes which declare themselves to be atheist is very similiar. Not one here and there. All of them. Why should we give atheists the benefit of the doubt? Why should we not be alarmed when Dawkins raises the questions "It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in?" ?

really do you have any sort of evidence for your nonsense? i'm not talking about what they did, who they killed, but that atheism was the source of why they did it

We know what other atheists who asked the very same questions did. Isn't it simply a normal reaction to recoil in horror when an atheist today asks the same questions? Should we not be alarmed when anyone, atheist or not, suggests the state take over a parent's natural role?

there seems to be a lot of people who desire this out come when it comes to tv, movies, video games.
or anything in schools, or any where children happen to be.

 

[ReverendDG]

We can document 80 years of what officially atheist regimes did. In that we can include the activity of Trofim Lysenko if you wish. He wasn't the only one, just the one who got the most people hurt. You want to see who has hurt and debased science? Look to the Lysenkoists. Look to the eugenicists of the progressive era in America.

all of those so called "atheist" states where government worshiping states, go read 1984 for a good example
no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true

To address your second point, I don't know anyone who says teaching science turns children into atheists.

really? you mean you haven't heard of all the anti-evolutionists who say evolution and science is atheistic?

take a look in the C&E forums theres always someone saying something along that line

 

[flicka]

As far as I recall school days were dominated mainly by teachers droning on about subjects that the students didn't need to know. Maybe it was a particularly bad school though no one seemed to find it worse than usual.

What do you consider useless subjects? What do you consider useful? I suspect your personal bias is coloring your memory. I've believe intellignet and curious children will benifit from a varity of subjects, dull and unintelligent children only want to hear about things that interest them. That's why the smartest kids do well even in the worst schools, and the worst students do bad in award winning schools.

 

[wanderingone]

I DID NOT SAY THAT.

Isn't it funny that the ones who say that their government schools are so superior are the ones who can't read?[/quote[

Aww.. running out of ways to express yourself so you resort to attempted insults ... sorry I always look at the source, and once again you may need to take your own advice and READ I said I support homeschooling.

The rule still is that children are taught to sit quietly and listen to the teacher.[/quote[

There is no single rule nationwide regarding public schools, and once again I have already pointed out to you that sitting at a desk all day with not interaction, no communication etc.. is not the practice of any of the schools I or my children attended when they were in public school. ... obviously we choose schools according to the needs of our children and they haven't always gone to public school. Right now we're pretty much done with our school journey, my oldest is in seminary, my boy is done with high school and working and my youngest is in a democratic school.

It's different because my children do and your children don't.

Ah-ha... so I'm lying about my children's experiences?

If your children don't have them in their classroom, then they're not interacting with them.

So if your children don't have "them" in your home and you're homeschooling they aren't interacting with "them" either.

Leave my parents out of this. If you really want to make this personal, tell me and we'll go at it.

Oh please, another one who can't take reality, if you did not experience anything in life where you LEARNED except in a classroom where you sat all day staring at the teacher and never went on field trips, never had visiting speakers and teachers, never had a variety of teachers AND your parents (or guardians) failed to provide learning experiences outside of school they failed you, I'm sorry if that was your experience but apparently you don't "get" that it's not school OR parents it's school (whichever type of education you use) AND parenting. And please don't threaten me with challenges to "go at it" besides being childish in its tone, you couldn't succeed at upsetting me with personal commentary- I always consider the source

 

[Skavau]

We can document 80 years of what officially atheist regimes did. In that we can include the activity of Trofim Lysenko if you wish. He wasn't the only one, just the one who got the most people hurt. You want to see who has hurt and debased science? Look to the Lysenkoists. Look to the eugenicists of the progressive era in America.

Communism implies Atheism. Atheism does not imply Communism.

The history of what atheists have done when they had the power to do it cannot be dismissed by contending that it isn't happening here. From Bela Kun's Red Terror in Budapest in 1919 to the jailing of priests in Vietnam today, the story of regimes which declare themselves to be atheist is very similiar. Not one here and there. All of them. Why should we give atheists the benefit of the doubt? Why should we not be alarmed when Dawkins raises the questions "It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in?" ?

Are you paranoid about Atheists?

 

[TeddyKGB]

Yeah...I know. An officially atheist regime endorsed Lysenko's theories, wrecked the agriculture in their country and purged, imprisoned or killed those scientists who disagreed.

It was a brave new world Yemelyan Yaroslavsky, Stalin, Kaganovich and Lysenko were creating.

This is bizarre even for you. I know you're fond of baldly asserting causal links between atheism and whatever scary old regime you're reading about in back issues of Newsweek, but the connection between atheism and Lysenko's nuttiness is entirely opaque.

 

[WarEagle]

And please don't threaten me with challenges to "go at it" besides being childish in its tone, you couldn't succeed at upsetting me with personal commentary- I always consider the source

You're the one who wanted to make personal attacks against my family, not the other way around.

If you can't behave like an adult, then I've got nothing more to say to you.

 

[IzzyPop]

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Soon to be followed by Catholics, then Episcipalian, then Mormons, then denomination after denomination until only 1 'True Christians' remain. Then they purges and pogroms will continue as the believers begin to turn on themselves. Sounds like fun.

Totalitarianism is not a good thing.

 

[bunced]

All atheists (and Muslims for that matter) should be exiled from the United States a Christian Nation. Otherwise the should be jailed for a criminal offence.

On what grounds?

Being different from you? Then why not exclude everyone else who is not in your denomination of Christianity, because there will be a difference of ideas there. Or everyone not in your church, because even within a denomination there are differences of opinion. Or everyone else but you, because human nature entails individual thought. If you follow the thinking in your post to its natural conclusion then you will end up with a society that consists entirely of yourself - in other words a lack of society

Being part of a society means that there are going to be people that disagree with you. And it is very ironic that the attitude your post showed is just the same fear of difference of opinion that fuelled the massacres that were claimed to be the result of atheism and that have been posted above as examples of the "evil" of atheism. It was the same spirit of fear that drove the genocide in Rwanda, the massacres in Bosnia, the purging in Russia, the Holocausts in Germany and Turkey and countless other atrocities in history

In seeking to destroy those which you disagree with, you also destroy the foundations of the country in which you live - America was built on the idea of all men being equal - that is all men, regardless of religion, faith, race or colour. You are advocating a thinking that would destroy all that is good about the United States of America and that the plurality that is enshrined within its Constitution.

Furthermore, using the idea of a Christian Religion defies the concept of tolerance and love of neighbours - despite their religion or lack of - that is at the heart of the gospel. You would end up turning a religion that at its heart has freedom and grace into the very embodiment of the other religions, such as Islam, which you so vigorously attack, because you would take away the message of choice that is found into the cross and would instead create a bastard Christianity with dogma and dry religious duty at its centre. A religion which people follow because they are scared to be different, because they are scared to be the individuals Christ created them to be. A religion where people, instead of celebrating in the freedom that is in the cross, are oppressed.

In short, you would create a Dystopian society and go against the very spirit that built up your Christian nation

I cannot condemn the view you have expressed here strongly enough.

 

[TeddyKGB]

All atheists (and Muslims for that matter) should be exiled from the United States a Christian Nation. Otherwise the should be jailed for a criminal offence.

That doesn't sound very Christian. Maybe you should re-read the Bible, focusing particularly on the Jesus parts.

 

[Gipper]

That doesn't sound very Christian. Maybe you should re-read the Bible, focusing particularly on the Jesus parts.

Yeah right. Jesus hated anyone who was not among the true Israelites:

Matthew 10:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[Paulos23]

Are you aware of the reason that the pilgrims crossed the north Atlantic? Are you aware of the reason the First Amendment exists?

It is because of sediments like yours. If sediments like that became legalized, they would be utilized (and have been) for oppression and genocide. Is that where you want to take this country of the free?

 

[Gipper]

On what grounds?

This is a Christian Nation. If your not Christian get out.

 

[Paulos23]

This is a Christian Nation. If your not Christian get out.

Where in the consitution does it say it is a Christian Nation?

 

[Morcova]

All atheists (and Muslims for that matter) should be exiled from the United States a Christian Nation. Otherwise the should be jailed for a criminal offence.

Purges didn't work for your mentor Stalin and they wont work here.

Try to actually read the founding documents some time.

Your as anti-american as they come.