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But as I pointed out at length and as you obviously didn't read, the sentiments expressed are incompatible with the foundation of America, including its Christian heritage, and would result in a dystopian society based on fear and hatred.
That is not Christian nor a Christian nation. Period. It is impossible to reconcile the policy you are advocating with Christianity.
I also find your whole attitude rude and aggressive. You present no arguments as to why people should leave the country but instead issue ultimatums. If you feel you have something to contribute to the debate, by all means present a logical argument as to why you think that, but otherwise please leave.
That is not Christian nor a Christian nation. Period. It is impossible to reconcile the policy you are advocating with Christianity.
I also find your whole attitude rude and aggressive. You present no arguments as to why people should leave the country but instead issue ultimatums. If you feel you have something to contribute to the debate, by all means present a logical argument as to why you think that, but otherwise please leave.
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The majority of the people in this country are Christian. The President is Christian. The majority of Congress is Christian. The founding fathers were Christian, and intended the country to be too. The settlers were Christian.
You figure it out.
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In England the majority of people support football. Football plays a huge part in the British economy. The national anthem is played at football games. At internationals, British supporters wave their flags. The royal family often goes to big games to go and support.
Football is in the British blood. Therefore, I have decided that everyone who plays cricket or enjoys snooker should be shot. Then we can pin their bodies to the White Cliffs of Dover as a warning to all those football supporters
Obviously, I am talking rubbish (or at least I hope you can see that).
The point I am making is that plurality is in the blood and roots of the founding of the USA. If you take away that, you will be no better than the oppressive regimes in the Middle East. No better at all. It will just be Christianity that is the tool of oppression rather than Islam.
Football is in the British blood. Therefore, I have decided that everyone who plays cricket or enjoys snooker should be shot. Then we can pin their bodies to the White Cliffs of Dover as a warning to all those football supporters
Obviously, I am talking rubbish (or at least I hope you can see that).
The point I am making is that plurality is in the blood and roots of the founding of the USA. If you take away that, you will be no better than the oppressive regimes in the Middle East. No better at all. It will just be Christianity that is the tool of oppression rather than Islam.
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You cannot be Christian and atheist. You cannot be Christian and Muslim.
If your not Chirstian get out.
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This is a Christian nation founded by Christians for Christians. Not atheists.
We don't want atheists here, and atheists don't want to be here. They should just leave. They should go to Britian to be with there savior Dawkins. You deal with them.
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You know what I find funny.. The countrys with the highest rating of Civil Freedoms and Libertys are the countrys that have the highest percentage of Christians. All in All it was the strong christian value of our country that paved the way for its Civil Rights and Freedom. If it wasn't for christians America would be just another China or Russia. Many of our scientists were christians too like Sir Issac Newton... of course, that is something atheists never consider.
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Skavau
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You are speaking sentiments of fascism. You are revolting.Gipper said:
It is a Secular Nation. Not a Christian Nation.Gipper said:
Irrespective, Atheists are allowed to live there and rightly so.
So?Gipper said:
How do you know Atheists do not want to live in the USA?Gipper said:
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But it has already been demonstrated that it isn't a Christian nations and that plurality lies at the heart of the foundation of the United States.
You have given no response other than the same line of rhetoric. Now either this means you can't be bothered to debate a point properly and instead just trot out the same lines, or that we were right and you are unable to prove us wrong.
Many atheists, and peoples of different faiths want to be in the United States for exactly the reason that has been enshrined in the constitution - the Freedom it gives. Most of the United States loves the freedom, including most Christians.
You still haven't refuted my original point, which I have repeated:
Plurality and freedom (including the Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of Religious Diversity) is in the blood and roots of the founding of the USA. It flows through the statement of Independence. It is a constant theme in the Constitution and its amendments.
If you take away that, you will be no better than the oppressive regimes in the Middle East. No better at all. It will just be Christianity that is the tool of oppression rather than Islam.
Please - if you are going to continue this discussion, do so on the grounds of reason rather than repetitious rhetoric
You have given no response other than the same line of rhetoric. Now either this means you can't be bothered to debate a point properly and instead just trot out the same lines, or that we were right and you are unable to prove us wrong.
Many atheists, and peoples of different faiths want to be in the United States for exactly the reason that has been enshrined in the constitution - the Freedom it gives. Most of the United States loves the freedom, including most Christians.
You still haven't refuted my original point, which I have repeated:
Plurality and freedom (including the Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of Religious Diversity) is in the blood and roots of the founding of the USA. It flows through the statement of Independence. It is a constant theme in the Constitution and its amendments.
If you take away that, you will be no better than the oppressive regimes in the Middle East. No better at all. It will just be Christianity that is the tool of oppression rather than Islam.
Please - if you are going to continue this discussion, do so on the grounds of reason rather than repetitious rhetoric
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Don't give them an ideas. Remember, there are no homosexuals in Iran. You just know they glow at the idea.
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The nation is mostly Christian by population, not by law. There is no state church, there is no requirement of faith to hold office, there is no mandatory requirement to attend church anymore.
As for the founding fathers, a large number of them where deists and new what religious intolerance could do to the country. The saw what it did to Europe and they did not want that to happen here.
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I'm a fascist? Whos the one saying I have to support homosexuals? Whos the one saying that God is make-believe? Whos the one trying to take God out of churches?
It is a nation of Christians.
Atheists who don't want to pledge allegiance to God and country are not Americans.
Of course they want to live in the USA but they dont want to live there with Christians who are the marojity.
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I think your confusing the enlightenment with Christianity. Yes the enlightenment came out of a culture that was Christian, but it only happened after the power of the church was broken. Many of the ideas you stated are from the enlightenment period, the same period our founding fathers came from.
This country is not another China or Russia not because of Christianity, but because of Capitalism. To different things, one is religion and one is economics. One has nothing to do with the other. If the heads of Capitalism where even more brutal then they where Communism might have actually taken hold here.
So, a persons faith has nothing to do with what they can accomplish. So there where Christian scientists, there where also Muslim scientists, Hindu scientists, and Buddhist scientists. It does not matter what a scientist faith is, their scientific work still has to hold up to the scientific method.
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Skavau
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No-one.Gipper said:
Saying that God is make believe is not fascism.Gipper said:
No-one in particular.Gipper said:
So is the United Kingdom technically. Should I be forced to leave according to you?Gipper said:
Too bad you don't decide who is or who is not an American.Gipper said:
How do you know that all Atheists have a problem living with Christians? I know various Christians and I don't have any problems with them.Gipper said:
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Exactly.
It is a secular nation (that is its values and system and its conception) that is made up of most Christians (that is by grace of the population who make it up)
Proof of such a sweeping statement please
And I mean proper proof, not the odd insane test case or lunatic group, I want proof that the majority of atheists don't want to live in the United States
Again proof. Unless this is just empty rhetoric of course?
And under the right to freedom of religious belief, they are perfectly justified to say that. Freedom from the start is what made America great. Do you honestly wish to destroy that?
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Atheists who don't want to pledge allegiance to God and country are not Americans.
Here comes Nebuchadnezzar again. Who will save us from the furnace this time?
* For people who don't know the reference:
"King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold...
Then the herald loudly proclaimed, 'This is what you are commanded to do... As soon as you hear the sound of the horn... you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.'" Daniel 3:1
Here comes Nebuchadnezzar again. Who will save us from the furnace this time?
* For people who don't know the reference:
"King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold...
Then the herald loudly proclaimed, 'This is what you are commanded to do... As soon as you hear the sound of the horn... you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. Whoever does not fall down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.'" Daniel 3:1
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