The Argument for Universal Reconciliation from the Book of Romans

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

yes, Necessarily all and any fully or partly false gospel is

not only nonsense, but dangerous and destructive to lives and souls

as they offer anti-Christ advice, information they use is instead of truth, instead of Christ, instead of being in true harmony with all Scripture , ur advocates are blasphemous opponents of Jesus and of Scripture.

Hey Aaron112, are you simply going to sit in the bleachers and be a cheerleader for Der Alte or are you going to actually post something that relates to the subject matter. Unlike you, my brother Der Alte actually gets in and mixes it up. Der Alte and I are most definitely on opposite sides of the final outcome of mankind but I respect and love the man because he invests time and effort in to what he believes. You just sit back making your little pithy statements, crying out … you’re a big bad man Mr. UR advocate. UR is banned from websites so it must be a heretical doctrine and Blah, blah, blah. Grow up …

 

[Der Alte]

Then why would Paul say all Israel would be saved? Maybe he understands the big picture.

First there is no Israel or Jacob in the grave only individual dead bodies. Many Jews have already been saved, they call themselves Messianic Jews.

 

[Der Alte]

I don’t get it Deut 21:22-23 “ If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and is put to death and hang him on a tree, his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day ( for he who is hanged is accused of God) , so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.” I do not see how Jesus hanging on the cross has any context in Duet but Paul quotes it about Jesus. Tell me in your opinion how is Paul not taking this out of context by your definition.

Was Jesus hanged on a tree? Was He taken down before the day ended? In that culture the mere fact of being hanged on a tree was a curse, and if the person remained on the cross into the night it brought a curse on the land.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Was Jesus hanged on a tree? Was He taken down before the day ended? In that culture the mere fact of being hanged on a tree was a curse, and if the person remained on the cross into the night it brought a curse on the land.

When I read Deut 21:22-23 it says if a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put death, and you hang him on a tree. That is the context so what sin worthy of death did Jesus commit? That’s the context. You have made yourself the context police and expert so please show me how this fits your narrative.

 

[Aaron112]

You just sit back

Do not take part in the works /teachings of darkness, rather EXPOSE them.
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No Other Gospel
…7which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!…
Berean Standard Bible · Download
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2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. / Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.
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Romans 16:17-18
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. / For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, / and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing,

because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. / For this reason

God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, ...

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web:"Avoiding conversations with those who preach a false gospel is an important practice in maintaining one's faith and understanding of the true gospel. According to Paul's warning in Colossians, one should be wary of being taken captive by false teachings that may come in the guise of philosophy and empty deceit, rather than adhering to the teachings of Christ[8].

False teachers often present themselves convincingly, sometimes with important-sounding credentials or through their ability to debate and present their case well[9]. However, being a good talker or having impressive credentials does not necessarily mean the message is true. It is crucial to evaluate teachings based on their alignment with the truths of Scripture[9].

When engaging with controversial issues, it is advised to rely on the love of God and His wisdom to navigate these discussions[8]. This approach helps in discerning the true gospel from false teachings that might be appealing but ultimately lead away from the core message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ[9].

In summary, it is wise to avoid engaging with those who preach a false gospel and to seek out teachings that align with the true gospel as found in the Bible[8][9]."

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Do not take part in the works /teachings of darkness, rather EXPOSE them.
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No Other Gospel
…7which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!…
Berean Standard Bible · Download
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2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. / Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.
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Romans 16:17-18
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. / For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, / and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing,

because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. / For this reason

God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, ...

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web:"Avoiding conversations with those who preach a false gospel is an important practice in maintaining one's faith and understanding of the true gospel. According to Paul's warning in Colossians, one should be wary of being taken captive by false teachings that may come in the guise of philosophy and empty deceit, rather than adhering to the teachings of Christ[8].

False teachers often present themselves convincingly, sometimes with important-sounding credentials or through their ability to debate and present their case well[9]. However, being a good talker or having impressive credentials does not necessarily mean the message is true. It is crucial to evaluate teachings based on their alignment with the truths of Scripture[9].

When engaging with controversial issues, it is advised to rely on the love of God and His wisdom to navigate these discussions[8]. This approach helps in discerning the true gospel from false teachings that might be appealing but ultimately lead away from the core message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ[9].

In summary, it is wise to avoid engaging with those who preach a false gospel and to seek out teachings that align with the true gospel as found in the Bible[8][9]."

I will play your game- Rom 11:32 For God has committed them ALL to disobedience, that he might have mercy on ALL/ Rom 5:18 Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men , so the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL men . / 2Cor 5:19 in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting peoples trespasses against them, and has given us the message of reconciliation. /Col 1:9 God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him and through Him to reconcile to himself ALL THINGS on earth or In he by Jesus. /1 Tim 4:9-11 because we trust in the living God , who is the savior of ALL men, especially of those who believe. / Phil 2:10-11 Every knee shall bow of those in heaven, and those on earth, and those under the earth, and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord ( the very thing you have to do to be saved) / John 4;42 Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world ( notice it didn’t say possible savior, but this is a declaration of what Jesus has done and is doing) is this not the Gospel? John 3:17 For God sent the Son into the cosmos not that he might pass judgement on the cosmos, but that the cosmos might be saved through him. Now I ask is this not the Gospel? This is what I believe as a Christian Universal Redemption guy this is the Gospel. John 12:47 Jesus came to save the cosmos not judge it.

 

[Free2bHeretical4Him!]

Do not take part in the works /teachings of darkness, rather EXPOSE them.
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No Other Gospel
…7which is not even a gospel. Evidently some people are troubling you and trying to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse! 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse!…
Berean Standard Bible · Download
-----------------------------------------
2 John 1:10-11
If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. / Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.
------------------------------------------------
Romans 16:17-18
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them. / For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
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2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, / and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing,

because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. / For this reason

God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, ...

--------------------------------------------------------
web:"Avoiding conversations with those who preach a false gospel is an important practice in maintaining one's faith and understanding of the true gospel. According to Paul's warning in Colossians, one should be wary of being taken captive by false teachings that may come in the guise of philosophy and empty deceit, rather than adhering to the teachings of Christ[8].

False teachers often present themselves convincingly, sometimes with important-sounding credentials or through their ability to debate and present their case well[9]. However, being a good talker or having impressive credentials does not necessarily mean the message is true. It is crucial to evaluate teachings based on their alignment with the truths of Scripture[9].

When engaging with controversial issues, it is advised to rely on the love of God and His wisdom to navigate these discussions[8]. This approach helps in discerning the true gospel from false teachings that might be appealing but ultimately lead away from the core message of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ[9].

In summary, it is wise to avoid engaging with those who preach a false gospel and to seek out teachings that align with the true gospel as found in the Bible[8][9]."

Thanks for your well thought out response …

 

[Der Alte]

When I read Deut 21:22-23 it says if a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put death, and you hang him on a tree. That is the context so what sin worthy of death did Jesus commit? That’s the context. You have made yourself the context police and expert so please show me how this fits your narrative.

Your accusation is false. I recognize out-of-context when I see it. I assume you have read the gospels. The party most offended by Jesus' ministry were the Jews who evidently feared they would lose their positions within the Jewish community.

John 11:45-48​

(45) Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.​

(46) But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.​

(47) Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.​

(48) If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.​

The execution was scripturally illegal but that did not prevent the curse from being hanged on a tree at least in the minds of the Jews. That is the way I understand Paul. Whatever, Paul's quote is not out-of-context which would not even apply in this situation. For those willing to hear I explain when I see something out-of-context. It often involves quoting only part of a passage which might appear to say something other than what the writer actually intended. Which OBTW includes all of the UR proof texts.

 

[Der Alte]

I will play your game- Rom 11:32 For God has committed them ALL to disobedience, that he might have mercy on ALL/ Rom 5:18 Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of all men , so the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL men . / 2Cor 5:19 in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting peoples trespasses against them, and has given us the message of reconciliation. /Col 1:9 God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him and through Him to reconcile to himself ALL THINGS on earth or In he by Jesus. /1 Tim 4:9-11 because we trust in the living God , who is the savior of ALL men, especially of those who believe. / Phil 2:10-11 Every knee shall bow of those in heaven, and those on earth, and those under the earth, and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord ( the very thing you have to do to be saved) / John 4;42 Jesus is the Christ, the savior of the world ( notice it didn’t say possible savior, but this is a declaration of what Jesus has done and is doing) is this not the Gospel? John 3:17 For God sent the Son into the cosmos not that he might pass judgement on the cosmos, but that the cosmos might be saved through him. Now I ask is this not the Gospel? This is what I believe as a Christian Universal Redemption guy this is the Gospel. John 12:47 Jesus came to save the cosmos not judge it.

There ain't no "gladly" in Phil 2:10-11 Does God save all the people mentioned in Jeremiah 13:11-14, Matthew 7:21-23?

Jeremiah 13:11-14​

(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.​

(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?​

(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.​

(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

Matthew 7:21-23​

(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

(22) Many [NOT a few] will say to me in that day, [judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?​

(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

When Jesus says "never" He does not mean someday by and by.

 

[StayStill46]

This is an interesting topic, and it’s good to explore what the Bible says about reconciliation and salvation. Romans does speak about God’s desire for all to be saved, such as in Romans 5:18, which says, ‘Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.’
However, the Bible is also clear that salvation is not automatic—it must be received through faith in Jesus. Romans 10:9-10 says, ‘If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.’
God’s heart is for everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), but He respects our free will. Those who reject Jesus’ offer of salvation remain separated from God. John 3:18 says, ‘Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.’
I’d love to hear your thoughts about this! Do you believe salvation requires a personal response to Jesus, or do you see it differently?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

"He has reconciled us" Christians NOT all mankind. People who are committing sins right now are NOT reconciled to God.

Do you think any believer is sinless, right now? Seems to be a bit of a disconnect with your position on this one.

Christ did die for all but all are not living for Christ but living unto themselves.

In your position that fact is meaningless unless someone "activates" their Jesus coupon. Meaning people activate God, and not vice versa. Poor ol God. Just waiting for some to activate Him so He can move.

Besides the fact that our adversary, the tempter who deceives and works on everyone isn't even in your theology picture

If all mankind has been reconciled to God as you interpret vs. 18, why is Paul now vs. 20 saying "we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God?"

Some people being reconciled to the fact of the matter in this present life doesn't negate the fact nor does it eliminate those captives who are blinded to Jesus in this present life being saved after the fact, as many have pointed out to you in Romans 11:26-32 for example, Jewish enemies of the Gospel, whom God Himself put a spirit of slumber on them in our behalves. All saved in the end, post death no less

Jesus Is The Savior of the world. A fact well attested to in the scriptures. Not the potential savior or a wanna be savior who just can't seem to get the job done, but a REAL SAVIOR.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Your accusation is false. I recognize out-of-context when I see it. I assume you have read the gospels. The party most offended by Jesus' ministry were the Jews who evidently feared they would lose their positions within the Jewish community.

John 11:45-48​

(45) Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.​

(46) But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.​

(47) Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.​

(48) If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.​

The execution was scripturally illegal but that did not prevent the curse from being hanged on a tree at least in the minds of the Jews. That is the way I understand Paul. Whatever, Paul's quote is not out-of-context which would not even apply in this situation. For those willing to hear I explain when I see something out-of-context. It often involves quoting only part of a passage which might appear to say something other than what the writer actually intended. Which OBTW includes all of the UR proof texts.

Your accusation is false. I recognize out-of-context when I see it. I assume you have read the gospels. The party most offended by Jesus' ministry were the Jews who evidently feared they would lose their positions within the Jewish community.

John 11:45-48​

(45) Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.​

(46) But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.​

(47) Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.​

(48) If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.​

The execution was scripturally illegal but that did not prevent the curse from being hanged on a tree at least in the minds of the Jews. That is the way I understand Paul. Whatever, Paul's quote is not out-of-context which would not even apply in this situation. For those willing to hear I explain when I see something out-of-context. It often involves quoting only part of a passage which might appear to say something other than what the writer actually intended. Which OBTW includes all of the UR proof texts.

Ok I see how you view things. Unless one believes that God creates most people only to torture them forever, because they did not do exactly as tradition dictates, and there are many traditions in what we call Christianity. Then the plain reading of a text like 2Cor 5:19 that says in part “in Christ God was reconciling the world ( that’s the true definition of world cosmos not aion) to Himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them” so if I read that as written that God will reconcile the cosmos to himself, because it goes against tradition of God torturing most of his creation, it’s out of context. So any verse that goes against the tradition of God burning those he says he loves is out of context. People who do this have blinders on and can’t see the truth. I am glad I do not follow that tradition. My God loves his people and will not stop till all are found even if it takes many ages.Jesus will get 100% of what he paid for he will not be robbed.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

This is an interesting topic, and it’s good to explore what the Bible says about reconciliation and salvation. Romans does speak about God’s desire for all to be saved, such as in Romans 5:18, which says, ‘Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.’
However, the Bible is also clear that salvation is not automatic—it must be received through faith in Jesus. Romans 10:9-10 says, ‘If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.’
God’s heart is for everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), but He respects our free will. Those who reject Jesus’ offer of salvation remain separated from God. John 3:18 says, ‘Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.’
I’d love to hear your thoughts about this! Do you believe salvation requires a personal response to Jesus, or do you see it differently?

Yes all must confess that Jesus is Lord that’s the only way to God . Fortunately God has made a way for that to happen to all people. He said it three times Isaiah 45:23 /Rom 14;11/ and Phil 2:10-11 all say that Every knee will bow and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord, and we know that God doesn’t take false confessions so they are being honest out of free will to confess that Jesus is Lord.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Do you think any believer is sinless, right now? Seems to be a bit of a disconnect with your position on this one.

In your position that fact is meaningless unless someone "activates" their Jesus coupon. Meaning people activate God, and not vice versa. Poor ol God. Just waiting for some to activate Him so He can move.

Besides the fact that our adversary, the tempter who deceives and works on everyone isn't even in your theology picture

Some people being reconciled to the fact of the matter in this present life doesn't negate the fact nor does it eliminate those captives who are blinded to Jesus in this present life being saved after the fact, as many have pointed out to you in Romans 11:26-32 for example, Jewish enemies of the Gospel, whom God Himself put a spirit of slumber on them in our behalves. All saved in the end, post death no less

Jesus Is The Savior of the world. A fact well attested to in the scriptures. Not the potential savior or a wanna be savior who just can't seem to get the job done, but a REAL SAVIOR.

Thanks for that it’s good. It’s too bad so many people don’t understand the ages all they see is what is happening here and now and have no concept of the ages to come.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

There ain't no "gladly" in Phil 2:10-11 Does God save all the people mentioned in Jeremiah 13:11-14, Matthew 7:21-23?

Jeremiah 13:11-14​

(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.​

(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?​

(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.​

(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

Matthew 7:21-23​

(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

(22) Many [NOT a few] will say to me in that day, [judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?​

(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

When Jesus says "never" He does not mean someday by and by.

Again if one understands the ages one would not look at only the here and now , but understand that God has all the time he needs to get the job done . Most will not bend the knee in this age but it will happen, even if people don’t believe Rom 14:11/Isaiah 45:23/Phil 2:10-11 . That every knee will bow and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord. This will happen but for most not till the next age.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

There ain't no "gladly" in Phil 2:10-11 Does God save all the people mentioned in Jeremiah 13:11-14, Matthew 7:21-23?

Jeremiah 13:11-14​

(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.​

(12) Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?​

(13) Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.​

(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.​

Matthew 7:21-23​

(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

(22) Many [NOT a few] will say to me in that day, [judgement day] Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?​

(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

When Jesus says "never" He does not mean someday by and by.

Exomologeo- To acknowledge, openly and JOYFULLY, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations. I think your Greek is either rusty or you have bad definitions, kinda like your definition for Aion .

 

[Jeff Saunders]

This is an interesting topic, and it’s good to explore what the Bible says about reconciliation and salvation. Romans does speak about God’s desire for all to be saved, such as in Romans 5:18, which says, ‘Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.’
However, the Bible is also clear that salvation is not automatic—it must be received through faith in Jesus. Romans 10:9-10 says, ‘If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.’
God’s heart is for everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), but He respects our free will. Those who reject Jesus’ offer of salvation remain separated from God. John 3:18 says, ‘Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.’
I’d love to hear your thoughts about this! Do you believe salvation requires a personal response to Jesus, or do you see it differently?

Yes Phil 2:10-11. /Isaiah 45:23 / Rom 14:11 says that every knee will bow and every tongue will gladly confess that Jesus is Lord. All must accept Jesus as Lord. The difference between what we CUR ( Christian Universal Redemption) believes and ECT is that most people will not put the faith and try In Jesus in this age but will do it after purification of the next age. There are no scriptures that say you can only accept Jesus while in the mortal body but not in the immortal body, none . The only thing I hear is Hebrews says it’s appointed for man once to die then the judgement. I agree 100% but the judgement is not the same as the punishment. Just like our court system of today, if you commit murder you are a murderer but the punishment may be 20 years. Once you have done your time you are still a murder that doesn’t change it a forever thing but the punishment has a beginning and an end. The judgement is not heaven or hell , it’s have you followed Jesus or not this is a one time deal , if yes you go to heaven and receive your inheritance. If no you go to Lake of fire for punishment, second death of the soul. You lose your inheritance and your soul but your punishment is for a limited time , scripture says every knee and every tongue will confess, I personally believe that those who go to Lake of Fire don’t go to heaven but inherit the new earth. But others in our camp see it differently.

 

[Der Alte]

Ok I see how you view things. Unless one believes that God creates most people only to torture them forever, because they did not do exactly as tradition dictates, and there are many traditions in what we call Christianity. Then the plain reading of a text like 2Cor 5:19 that says in part “in Christ God was reconciling the world ( that’s the true definition of world cosmos not aion) to Himself, not counting people’s trespasses against them” so if I read that as written that God will reconcile the cosmos to himself, because it goes against tradition of God torturing most of his creation, it’s out of context. So any verse that goes against the tradition of God burning those he says he loves is out of context. People who do this have blinders on and can’t see the truth. I am glad I do not follow that tradition. My God loves his people and will not stop till all are found even if it takes many ages.Jesus will get 100% of what he paid for he will not be robbed.

Your first sentence, which is a false accusation, precludes me from reading any farther. "Ok I see how you view things. Unless one believes that God creates most people only to torture them forever, because they did not do exactly as tradition dictates, and there are many traditions in what we call Christianity." Please read JPS Jeremiah 13:11-14, EOB Matthew 7:21-23 and Matthew 25:46 JPS= Jewish Publication Society EOB= Eastern Greek Orthodox. I'm quite sure native Hebrew speaking and Greek speaking scholars know what all the words mean.

 

[Der Alte]

Exomologeo- To acknowledge, openly and JOYFULLY, to celebrate, to give praise to without reservations. I think your Greek is either rusty or you have bad definitions, kinda like your definition for Aion .

Incorrect! My independent Hebrew and Greek studies have NEVER been shown to be incorrect and they line up with the Jewish Publication society translation of the Old Testament and the Eastern Greek Orthodox translation of the New Testament. Links to JPS and EOB below.
JPS

Online Bible

EOB

The New Testament ( The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The New Testament (The Eastern-Greek Orthodox Bible)

archive.org

 

[Der Alte]

Again if one understands the ages one would not look at only the here and now , but understand that God has all the time he needs to get the job done . Most will not bend the knee in this age but it will happen, even if people don’t believe Rom 14:11/Isaiah 45:23/Phil 2:10-11 . That every knee will bow and every tongue gladly confess that Jesus is Lord. This will happen but for most not till the next age.

First show me credible Biblical support for all this verbiage about "ages."