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Swearing oaths of secrecy , mutual protection of other freemasons, and loyalty (Scottish Rite), aids people like Pike and Mazzini and Crowley.
Yet another error on your part. I am not Scottish Rite, the loyalty oath which you keep addressing with this one-note harping is not one I have ever taken, it is one in fact that the majority of Masons have not taken, since they are not Scottish Rite, Mazzini's P2 has been outlawed by Masonry since 1976, and Aleister Crowley was never at any time a member of any recognized Lodge in Masonry.

Repeating that which is not true, is not a valid approach to debate. Your points have been shown to be false, move on to other points or drop these issues.

ALSO: BY YOUR OWN WORDS EARLIER IN THE THREAD

When an honestly mistaken person learns the Biblical truth, they must either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.
Now that you have been shown--repeatedly and at great length, and beyond all refutation--that your interpretation of Jesus' meaning in Matt. 5:33 is apparently in error:

Now you must, by your own proclamation, since you are obviously honestly mistaken:

Either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.

Let's see if you will heed your own advice, or renege on it and perjure yourself. After all, it was you who stated that our word was supposed to be good enough that oaths were unnecessary. Is yours?
 
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This appears to be a prophecy yet unfulfilled; "And I answered, I see a flying roll, the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breath thereof is ten cubits. Then he said unto me, This is the curse that goeth over the whole earth: or everyone that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and EVERYONE THAT SWEARETH SHALL BE CUT OFF as on that side according to it-Zechaiah 5:2-3.

"But I say unto you, SWEAR NOT AT ALL"-Christ in Matthew 5:34.

I'd say that especially applies to secret society oaths of secrecy and mutual protection regardless of what members may be guilty of; like prominent freemason Mazzini, who founded the Italian mafia, which is P2 Lodge, no longer officially recognized by Grand Lodge, so as to distance their bad rep.

Same with occultist Aliester Crowley, who was recognized as a Grand master mason in Italy and France, but not by the Grand Lodge, as a matter of public relations.

Former top US freemason Pike had high rank in the KKK, which he was involved in founding. Pike was charged with crimes against civilians and treason.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1264.cfm
I'll pass on swearing the masonic oaths of secrecy and mutual protection, as I have before. The flying cylinder or pillar or roll will get the freemasons, as the angels will take away the evilest in Matt 13:49-50, & slay the evilest third, in Rev 9:15. Justice at last for me!

I'd love to tell my story of foul freemasons I've known, but it's not my thread here, and a hostile environment generally.
 
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Same with occultist Aliester Crowley, who was recognized as a Grand master mason in Italy and France, but not by the Grand Lodge, as a matter of public relations.
Nope. It was a matter of not really being a Mason.

Former top US freemason Pike had high rank in the KKK, which he was involved in founding.
Nope. If Pike had any involvement at all, it would have been with the earlier founding of a group by the same name in 1866. But the group was disbanded in 1869 by the Grand Wizard himself. It was not until 1915, 24 years after Pike's death in 1891, that the second group was founded, and this was the group that soon became known for the outfits and the racism.

The flying cylinder or pillar or roll will get the freemasons
Wrong again. As the passage said, and as has been pointed out to you already, it has nothing to do with any Masonic oaths at all. It has to do with those who swear falsely in God's name, in other words, who invoke God's name to swear to something they know is not true.

You don't seem to be keeping up with the responses. Otherwise, you wouldn't be making the error of repeating claims that have been refuted.
 
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Here's a link to Leo Zagami, who was on the "Masonic Executive Committee" of Monte Carlo and he quit the 33rd°, to expose it all... http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it/ If somehow the link won't work, google it up.

Wayne will say P2 is not official freemasonry, but Leo Zagami got a 33rd° anyhow, from the son of freemasonry P2 lodge, founded by THEN prominent freemason Mazzini. Wayne tries to distance from the many offshoots of freemasonry, like the mafias' P2 lodge, but, it began recognized. It's embarassing to Grand Lodge, but not halted by any means from giving degrees. Wayne is with front steps freemasonry, the P2 lodge is back door freemasonry, both lead to 33rd°.
Grand Lodge wants to be respectable, but, as Wayne has said, membership rolls are unlawful for the public to see, while he demands proof that unsavory characters are freemasons, despite their own writings, or connections such as Hells Angels pres Barger displaying a masonic award plaque. Hiding behind secrecy isn't above board.
 
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Here's a link to Leo Zagami, who was on the "Masonic Executive Committee" of Monte Carlo and he quit the 33rd°, to expose it all... http://www.illuminaticonfessions.webfriend.it/ If somehow the link won't work, google it up.

Wayne will say P2 is not official freemasonry, but Leo Zagami got a 33rd° anyhow, from the son of freemasonry P2 lodge, founded by THEN prominent freemason Mazzini. Wayne tries to distance from the many offshoots of freemasonry, like the mafias' P2 lodge, but, it began recognized. It's embarassing to Grand Lodge, but not halted by any means from giving degrees. Wayne is with front steps freemasonry, the P2 lodge is back door freemasonry, both lead to 33rd°.
Grand Lodge wants to be respectable, but, as Wayne has said, membership rolls are unlawful for the public to see, while he demands proof that unsavory characters are freemasons, despite their own writings, or connections such as Hells Angels pres Barger displaying a masonic award plaque. Hiding behind secrecy isn't above board.

Historian http://www.ralphepperson.com in his "New World Order" video, which info was supplied by 33rd° freemasons for education purposes, reveals that Reagan was oathed to freemasonry. Reagan was also a practitioner of Babylonian Baal/Moloch human sacrifice rituals at Bohemian Grove, which the Bible repeatedly condemns. http://www.infowars.com click on "The Grove" for members info and historic pix of the Grove which show apparent charred corpses, victims of the human sacrifice ritual at the traditional fire altar of Moloch, with the fire for baby burnings at the belly of the statue. The Owl is identfied with Baalist Ishtar in Sumerian glyphs.
Freemasons at Bohemian Grove are not compatable with Christianity, though they pretend to be Christians for votes. With freemason members lists kept secret, proving anyone is freemason is impossible, except by that persons' writings, or freemasonry claiming that person as a member; as poster boy George Washington, who AVOIDED ALL LODGES the last 20 years of his life, because of the changes heralded by ILLuminati Adam Weishaupt. (Source, Ralph Epperson).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And HAVE NO FELLOWSHIP with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame to even speak of those things which are done by them IN SECRET"-Ephesians 5:11-12. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Freemasons at Bohemian Grove do such unspeakble things in secret. Secrecy is the cover of darkness, and the fruits of a world under the masonic UN flag are mass murders they call "ethnic cleansing"; which is lipstick on the pig of depopulation, a new term which requires no action by the UN about it. Rwanda, Darfur, Pol Pot, Pinochet, up to a million dead Iraq civilians who had nothing to do with 9/11, and 4 million refugees from Iraq.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "against powers, against the RULERS of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in HIGH PLACES"-Ephesians 6:12. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The synagogue of satan, world rulers at Bohemian Grove doing Babylonian human sacrifice rituals fits that verse well. BG members include Bush family, Rockefeller family, Kissinger, Nixon, Reagan (freemason who brought you Iran-Contra cocaine dealing by gov), and many other famous politicians. Even 1 questionable character of freemasonry is cause to not swear secrecy for and mutual protection of. Secrecy is the cover of darkness, hiding somethings.
 
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Freemasons yearly leave cognac and a rose at the grave of Edgar Allen Poe, because he wrote a tale about freemasons, as he saw them.

A Christian is working with a freemason doing brickwork, and the Christian quietly contemplates doing the thing, by killing a freemason, and how that balances with his Christian conscience is the inner turmoil.
As the freemason is getting sealed behind the brick wall, he pleads; "For the love of God, don't do this!". Poe answers and says; "Yes, for the love of God", and seals him in to die.

Rev 19:11/19, Nehemiah 4:14, Zechariah 10:5, Isaiah 24:21-22, Psalm 110:5-6 KJV or 109 other versions, Ephesians 5:11-12 & 6:12, Zechariah 5:1-3, Matt 13:49-50, Rev 9:15, Ezekiel 9:3-9, Psalm 94:16 KJV or 93 other versions.
 
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This thread was created quite some time ago. In the intervening time between then and now, the proliferation of conspiracy theories concerning Masonry, as you may easily imagine, has only gotten steadily worse. A ready example:

Earlier I posted an example of how the various conspiracy sites, the Mason-slammer sites, and general bloggers, all combine in the mindless spread of misinformation. That example involved a Manly Palmer Hall quote, or more accurately, MIS-quote, concerning the idea of Masonry as a "fraternity within a fraternity." The real meaning of what Hall wrote was the idea that there are Masons who stand out head and shoulders above the rest, for their contributions to both Masonry and to mankind. The quote of Hall's material was doctored and manipulated to make it appear he was speaking of some New World Order conspiracy. The lie became apparent when it was noticed that the person who fabricated the whole mess, had made a very noticeable error in rendering arcanum arcanorum (Latin for "holy of holies") as arcannum arcandrum.

The earlier discussion of it here pointed out how far the error had gone, when people, without bothering to try to locate the source or ascertain anything of its truth from the primary source, replicated it and passed it along without the least alteration. Time has served only to make it worse than it already was. A google search turned up quite a number, showing that it has more than doubled from the 17 sites I listed some time ago. Here are a few of those, minus a dozen or so more from foreign language sites, where the error has now become global:

Ananukia & Ananukion, page 1
Secret Societies Index: Hard Truth / Wake Up America
tBlog - Apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary
A.·., the mysterious arcannum arcandrum a magical and satanic order founded by Aleister Crowley (later head of the Freemasons) and George Cecil Jones in ...
Freemansory and Conspiracy
YouTube - giampow1's Channel
more "Masonic Bankers..?, for the title I will rate your video, but do you know what "Arcannum Arcandrum" means/is?" less ...
YouTube - The York Rite Of Freemasonry
Well, Arcanum Arcanorum is an aspiration, The Secret of Secrets, the Holiest of Holies, while Arcannum Arcandrum is a concoction, a phallasy of ...
The Hypostasis of the Archons
Freemason Information <---------------------- pointing you towards this page is the - demonized
http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=361
Freemasonry, Conspiracy Within, Initiation and the Brotherhood
Masons in the army - Topic In the Army Study Guide Forums
Cabala
Freemasonry2
Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism
James Redford
The Occult Masonic Temple God
Untitled Document
http://www.crowhealingnetwork.net/p...d (2003) by Dr. Christopher Newcomb, D.D..pdf
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/freemasonryexposed.pdf
MySpace.com Blogs - Chris MySpace Blog
the occult masonic temple god (2003) by dr
Vdeo Alan Watt conversation with a 32nd Degree Freemason's Daughter en VIDEOS.es
http://www.breadoflifebiblestudy.com/Lessons/25TheNewWorldOrder/Articles/Freemasonry01.pdf
[CTRL] illuminati-ritual-alignments.com/summary
Teorías de la conspiración masónica - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
MASONERIA--DOS ORGANIZACIONES, UNA VISIBLE, LA OTRA INVISIBLE
CRONOLOGIA DE HELIOTROPOS III/ EM radiation
LA GUERRA ESPIRITUAL: Organizaciones fueron fundadas por reconocidos Masones
Latin Foros Foro de La Conspiracin de los Iluminados (Illuminati)
Alguien puede decirme en que consiste la masoneria? Es culto? religion? Gracias.? - Yahoo! Mxico Respuestas
montaje para el engao
MASONES y MASONERIA ... - Foro Cristiano y Comunidad Cristianos Unidos en Yeshuanet.com
Simbolos Masonicos de poder en Washington DC - Page 2 - Foro a Foro 3.0 - Actualidad, Opinión, Discusión
Illuminati - Mazones - La Cienciologia - New World Order - LANeros.com
QUE ES REALMENTE LA MASONERÍA
The Coming Epiphany - Google Books
KONTRA Nuevo Orden Mundial: LA MASONERIA EN EL NUEVO ORDEN MUNDIAL
07 October 2007 Les dessous de l&#8217;information mondiale-Downside World News
TruthSeeker24's anti-N.W.O. corner: November 2007
Freemasonry, Conspiracy Within

I love the comments that someone has been generous enough to offer to help "understand" this better. Ya gotta love the inventiveness of the one which has provided such details as this being a "magical and satanic order founded by Aleister Crowley and George Cecil Jones," heh heh. What never was anything at all in reality, has now grown legs to stand on. And Aleister Crowley was "later the head of Freemasons?" He never was in reality a Mason at all, having joined orders of spurious Freemasonry.

And the YouTubers are kinda cute too. One questioned what the term was, and another was helpful, and actually fairly close to the truth in pointing out the distinction between the original term and the error that has taken its place. And you just GOTTA love that spelling of "fallacy," it really rounds out the collection and pretty much characterizes the thinking of conspiracists pretty well.
 
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I see Rev Wayne (Blue Lodge freemason), is still preaching in favor of freemasonry, despite Ephesians 5:11-12, & Zechariah 5:2-3, and "friendship with the world is enmity with God" (James 4), and Christ telling Christians "Swear not at all".
He tries to distance occultst Aliester Crowley from freemasonry, though he was a recognized Grand mastermason, in Italian and French freemasonry, made grand mastermason by the top Italian freemason Mazzini, who also founded the P2 Lodge and the Italian mafia criminal conspiracy.

Aliester Crowley founded the Ordo Templi Orientis Lodge (oriental freemasonry means they accept atheists). The Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn website proclaims to follow the teachings of Crowley also. Crowley was also openly into the murder rituals of Babylonian Baalism.

I theorize the Grand Lodge had to distance themselves from Crowley because of his high profile reputation; proclaiming himself the 666 beast.


Here's some examples of other freemasons at work; 33° freemason Arthur Waite in "The Book of Black Magic" p244 speaks of invoking Lucifer for power.

33° freemason Aliphas Levi in "The Mysteries of Magic" p 428 speaks of invoking Lucifer for power.

33° freemason Manly P Hall in "The Secret Teachings of the Ages", page 104 tells of a yearly sacrifice of one soul to Lucifer in return for prosperity, ritually done.

Albert Pike was the top USA freemason when he wrote a praise of Lucifer in "Morals and Dogma" page 32.
The Helena Blavatsky book "The Secret Doctrine" calls Lucifer the savior and Satan God (Volume 2 pp 171,225,255, and Volume 6 pp 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, & 533. Blavatsky is Illuminati, closely tied to freemasonry. Illuminati Rothschild founded the B'nai B'rith jewish masonry lodge, whose website admits to "overlap with freemasonry".

The founder of unscriptural Satanism, and author of the bogus "Satanic Bible", Anton LaVey was an admitted mastermason and into Baalist human sacrifice rituals, renaming Moloch rituals as Satanic rituals, though there were no traditions of Satanic rituals until he invented them. He promotes using candles made from Christian babyfat for rituals, which matches what Baalism did with Hebrew babies.

Top USA freemason Pike, on July 14, 1889, gave "Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World", and here's quotes from it: "The masonic RELIGION should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN doctrine"..."Yes Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God"... "The doctrine of Satanism is heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the EQUAL of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of light and the God of good, is struggling against Adonay, the God of darkness and of evil".


Rev Wayne cannot whitewash that, from the former top USA freemason, while Rev Wayne is 3rd° Blue Lodge who doesn't know enough about the top levels to defend freemasonry, in reality. Wayne cannot Biblically defend prominent freemasons participating in Babylonian Baal/Moloch murder rituals at Bohemian Grove California, for such is repeatedly condemned in the Torah & Bible.

The "star & crescent" symbol is the original symbol of Babylonian Baalism, and the Arabic sword is a symbol of the murderousness of it, worn on the blood red masonic Fez hats, which commemorate the extermination of 50,000 Christians by the Islamic purge, around 920 AD, where Fez Morocco was then established. (Source masonic historian ralphepperson.com).

The masonic ritual called "Corn wine and oil" is taken from Baalist rituals also. The owl at Bohemian Grove and hidden on money relates to Baalist Ishtar, pictured on Sumerian glyphs with owls.

How can a Rev turn a blind eye to all this? By selling his soul to freemasonry, for the perks. Freemasons are required to infiltrate all religions, which shows a conspiracy of some sort. The fact that freemasons have infiltrated all govs heavily enough to control them shows a political conspiracy to freemasonry, imposing the global beast gov via thre Novus Ordo Secular *New World Order". The freemason founded mafia shows an international masonic criminal conspiracy in play.

Google "Conspiracy of Silence", showing Las Vegas mafia child auctions to those with diplomatic immunity or national security immunity, then don't deny that NSA protects masonic organized crime. (P2 Lodge is the mafia Lodge).

Wayne says that words of 33rd° Manly P Hall are out of context, used against freemasonry. So, explain this quote away, then: "When the mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of LUCIFER are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy"- Manly P Hall 33rd°, from "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry"- page 48.

Murdered Father Malachi Martin was a vatican attache & exorcist, who exposed the masonic order within the jesuit order on page 472 of "The Keys of His Blood". In his last interview with Art Bell, before being pushed to his death, Martin exposed the murder ritual initiation into that masonic order. Recall what Hall said about proving oneself Luciferian before gaining high rank.

I nearly joined the P2 Lodge in 1992, until I was told that for my initiation, I must "ritually kill (Baalist ritual) anyone they choose, of any age or sex, be it friend or family" (to prove myself). I refused right then, and then commenced attempts on my life and set ups galore.

I was on the fast track to 33, via the mafia lawyer who offered me the initiation as a solution to me problems with NSA and the mafia over cover ups I witnessed & fought. I was promised fortune and fame and safety, if I joined.

Rev Wayne should either quit freemasonry, or quit calling himself reverend... years ago. 3rd° Blue Lodge does not qualify him to defend Scottish Rite freemasonry 33rds.

Pope Clement XII, in 1738, declared freemasonry to be the "synagogue of Satan". The 1961 book by the vatican Roman Curia "The Plot Against the Church" calls Scottish Rite freemasonry the "synagogue of Satan" also. Catholics are required to confess their sins, and they do. Being sworn to freemasonry is officially a "mortal sin"... the worst of sins.

That's posturing for public image though, as the head of all freemasonry is the jesuit general (inquisitioner) "Black Pope", according to vaticanassassins.org

The predecessors of freemasonry were the knights Templars, who carried out the extermination of 2 MILLION (inquisition archive figure) Christian Cathars in the early inquisition in France. The inquisition outlawed all scriptures, except for Bibles in Latin, seizing them and executing all who knew what was in the doctrines.

Nothing's what it seems, in Babylon (ruled by Bohemian Grove Baalists).
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I firmly believe that freemasonry is a Satanic organization that contributes to a large amount of evil within our world

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the initiated few." Manly P.Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI


"There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed, an Order of the Quest. It is composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has secret destiny&#8230;

"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United States of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and Masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American eagle. ... The American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalized phoenix..." 'Manly P. Hall, The Secret Destiny of America

"In Freemasonry is embedded the core or the secret heart of the occult mysteries, wrapped up on number, metaphor and symbol ..." The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Benjamin Creme p. 87

"Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony ... spiritually as well as physically ... to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers ..." The Occult Power of Numbers, W. Wynn Westcott , p. 15
 
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"In this new Aquarian age, when many individuals and groups are working in various ways for the eventual restoration of the mysteries, an increasing number of aspirants are beginning to recognize that Freemasonry may well be the vehicle for this achievement"

The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst p. 4
 
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"Behold our secret: If in order to destroy Christianity, all religion, we have pretended to have the sole true religion, remember that the end justifies the means, and the wise ought to take all the means to do good which the wicked take to do evil. This can be done in no other way but by secret associations, which will by degrees, and in silence, possess themselves of the government of the States, and make use of these means for this purpose which the wicked use for attaining base ends. The express aim of this order was to abolish Christianity, and overthrow all civil governments." (Adam Weishaupt, May 1st 1776.)

founder of the illuminati(and a high ranking Mason)

apparently his masonic brothers did not originally agree but he HAS succeeded at incorporating his satanic vision into the organization
 
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"An association has been formed for the express purposes of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all existing governments... the leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."

Proofs of a Conspiracy, John Robison

A mason who turned down an invitation to join the illuminati
 
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I firmly believe that freemasonry is a Satanic organization that contributes to a large amount of evil within our world

Then you will know how you can be tracked down via 'readback' to you computer and to YOU!

I'd keep my mouth shut. You don't know who is listening - you don't know who they really are. They rule the world and their spies are everywhere - probably in your church.
 
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"An association has been formed for the express purposes of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all existing governments... the leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."

Proofs of a Conspiracy, John Robison

A mason who turned down an invitation to join the illuminati


So you are warning about the Illuminati (of 225 years ago)....and NOT the Masons.
 
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Then you will know how you can be tracked down via 'readback' to you computer and to YOU!

I'd keep my mouth shut. You don't know who is listening - you don't know who they really are. They rule the world and their spies are everywhere - probably in your church.

I'm not in the least bit afraid of them
 
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"In this new Aquarian age, when many individuals and groups are working in various ways for the eventual restoration of the mysteries, an increasing number of aspirants are beginning to recognize that Freemasonry may well be the vehicle for this achievement"

The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst p. 4

Interesting quote, yet there is a Mason here, who claims to be a "Christian" and insists that this Masonic author promotes a Christian view of Masonry in this book. "Restoration of the Mysteries" by Freemasonry, yeah right, a very Christian idea indeed.:hahaha:
 
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"In this new Aquarian age, when many individuals and groups are working in various ways for the eventual restoration of the mysteries, an increasing number of aspirants are beginning to recognize that Freemasonry may well be the vehicle for this achievement"

The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst p. 4

Interesting quote, yet there is a Mason here, who claims to be a "Christian" and insists that this Masonic author promotes a Christian view of Masonry in this book. "Restoration of the Mysteries" by Freemasonry, yeah right, a very Christian idea indeed.

Same ole same ole, eh Mike? You still never bother checking out a thing you read, and just talk off the top of your head.

Had you bothered to check, you would have found out that this was NOT written by Wilmshurst, but instead was written by Allan Boudreau, Curator and Librarian of the Grand Lodge of New York, in a preface to the book’s 1980 reprint, a full 58 years after the original printing in 1922.

Not that the misattribution is your fault, that would be whoever posted this quote here and incorrectly attached Wilmshurst’s name to it. Your error was in not bothering to run the reference down to see if the quote was by Wilmshurst as claimed.

And I stand by what I have said about this work in the past. Wilmshurst’s conclusion is that Freemasonry’s symbolism is thoroughly Christian, he draws it all into an extensive and detailed exposition of the symbolism as paralleled in Christian teaching, and very emphatically and unequivocally declares it to be so.

The sad thing is, that despite how many times you have seen it by now, you still scoff and bristle at it as though he never said it, when you KNOW better.

And anyway, the idea of “mysteries” was borrowed from Christianity in the first place. It was a Christian writer, Dionysius the Areopagite, who penned the words of the early baptismal formula upon which Masonry’s “Badge of a Mason” was modeled. Even St. Augustine was of the considered opinion that the mysteries were no different, and were simply a set of teachings which embodied “what we now call Christianity.”
 
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Same ole same ole, eh Wayne a.k.a. Glockenspiel, Praisehymn formerly Mxyzptlk? You still never bother checking out all of what your favorite Masonic authors write, and just talk off the top of your head. But thanks for correcting the misattribution. However, although written 58 years later, by someone else, in his own words penned in the introduction of his book, Wilmhurst concurs with Boudreau:

Lastly a chapter has been added upon the important subject which forms the background of the rest&#8212;the relationship of modern Masonry to the Ancient Mysteries, from which it [Freemasonry] is the direct, though greatly attenuated, spiritual descendant.

The Meaning of Masonry, W.L. Wilmhurst p. 7 (emphasis added)

Ancient Mysteries pre-date Christianity, their origin is pagan; no matter what you say.
 
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Ancient Mysteries pre-date Christianity, their origin is pagan; no matter what you say.

I think that this statement pretty well summarized your gripe with Masonry.

It's not that you oppose it because any normal Christian should do so. Your opposition is based upon a view of Christianity that is held by a minority of extreme fundamentalists and such religious movements as the Jehovah's Witnesses. I don't know what your own affiliation is, but that is where we'd find the POV you associated yourself with here. Among them, the idea is that anything which Christians do that was also done by pagans before the coming of the Christian church is an impermissible continuation of pagan beliefs, is tainted by paganism, or worse, has to be Satan's doing.

Most Christians are fully aware that the early church took over pagan temples and made them into Christian churches, used candles and many artifacts that were used by pagans no more or less than they are used in almost every religion--and that this in no way makes them the particular features of paganism. And we understand that whatever the item is, Christianity gave a totally new meaning to it!

So, as I say to all Christians who may oppose some Masonic practice (for example that prayer is given in the company of men of different denominations, and some churches do not allow their members to belong to organizations where an invocation or any other prayer is given when the membership is not all of their own denomination), Masonry would pose a problem for them.

But all the generalizations we normally hear from anti-Masons go well beyond this and suppose that unless one is a devotee of some very extreme variety of Christianity, it is against Christianity itself or the Bible. To those whose Christian orientation says not to join, I say "don't." For the members of most Christian churches that are usually called "mainstream" Christianity, there is no reason not to.
 
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