The Angel Ultimatum

[apenman]

This book is available for free at Smashwords, the film has been announced on IMDB. This is non-traditional theology which explains everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward, including what caused the war in heaven.

Synopsis

Many would agree that the traditional explanation for creation is completely untenable. Angels are created, only to fight a war, humans are created, only to fall, religion is created, only to fail, so all is flawed, a cascade of one mistake after another. Yet, the Bible itself continues to have a profound influence on our society, even though that influence often results in chaos. The creation of Angels, leads to a chaotic war. The mortal fall, results in a chaotic world. The creation of religion, results in a chaotic struggle between belief systems, resulting in a great deal of religious tension. What explanation could possibly make sense out of such a mess?

Enter, “The Angel Ultimatum,” which is to, “make sense of creation, or else.” Inside we exchange the untenable explanation of creation, for the tenable explanation of the creation of individuality. Once the individual is created, it is then hands off, otherwise individuality is sacrificed, which would oppose the very point of the creation. The resulting, “free will,” must then produce extremes of both good and evil, which can only produce a chaotic society. If then, the Angels are individuals, the same chaos can be expected, and the result can be war. True faith is then expressed through love, and the Divine then connects to the creation through that love, making religion irrelevant.

This is an explanation of everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward. It is a glimpse into the plan that runs seamlessly and quietly, behind the chaos, which appears to make no sense. It takes us to the precipice of creation, where we stand beside a Creator, who must decide to either create individuality, from chaos, knowing everything that will follow, or face eternity alone. Dedicated to every caring person who has ever, or will ever live. Does not promote religion.


You can find it here.

Smashwords ? The Angel Ultimatum ? a book by Alexander Mann

 

[timewerx]

Nope.

Angels stand for things unseen, yet exert a great influence on our reality.

They are things found in nature but invisible (to the naked eye) like microscopic organisms, atoms, molecules or the very big but very far away one like distant stars, galaxies and other celestial bodies.

When such information was shown to ignorant primitive man, he turned it into religion.


I'm not about to imply that "angels" are powerless, nor mindless. Some microscopic organisms or things are far more intelligent than what is credited to them by "popular" science. Some of them are even strongly capable of influencing our thoughts at a remote/vast distance. Celestial bodies like stars or planets aren't mindless either.

They/you can even project your thoughts into things.


Some of the scary stuff of the paranormal are nothing more than your everyday nature/things having minds of their own.

We are not the smartest being in nature even, maybe the most gullible perhaps.



The purpose of man is to grow to be the savior of the Universe and beyond from all threats. Grow mean, we can be stupid now, maybe tomorrow, no longer. I'm not saying it's okay to be stupid now.

 

[2ducklow]

This book is available for free at Smashwords, the film has been announced on IMDB. This is non-traditional theology which explains everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward, including what caused the war in heaven.

Synopsis

Many would agree that the traditional explanation for creation is completely untenable. Angels are created, only to fight a war, humans are created, only to fall, religion is created, only to fail, so all is flawed, a cascade of one mistake after another. Yet, the Bible itself continues to have a profound influence on our society, even though that influence often results in chaos. The creation of Angels, leads to a chaotic war. The mortal fall, results in a chaotic world. The creation of religion, results in a chaotic struggle between belief systems, resulting in a great deal of religious tension. What explanation could possibly make sense out of such a mess?

Enter, “The Angel Ultimatum,” which is to, “make sense of creation, or else.” Inside we exchange the untenable explanation of creation, for the tenable explanation of the creation of individuality. Once the individual is created, it is then hands off, otherwise individuality is sacrificed, which would oppose the very point of the creation. The resulting, “free will,” must then produce extremes of both good and evil, which can only produce a chaotic society. If then, the Angels are individuals, the same chaos can be expected, and the result can be war. True faith is then expressed through love, and the Divine then connects to the creation through that love, making religion irrelevant.

Demons win because people reject angels and try and do it themselves.

This is an explanation of everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward. It is a glimpse into the plan that runs seamlessly and quietly, behind the chaos, which appears to make no sense. It takes us to the precipice of creation, where we stand beside a Creator, who must decide to either create individuality, from chaos, knowing everything that will follow, or face eternity alone. Dedicated to every caring person who has ever, or will ever live. Does not promote religion.


You can find it here.

Smashwords ? The Angel Ultimatum ? a book by Alexander Mann

Angels are my friends. They bring the overpowering love of God to me. Angels lead one into perfection and a closer relationship with God and Jesus. They do war with demons over us but it's a miss match. Angels are much more powerful than demons because their boss, God , is much more powerful than the demons God, which is Satan. I saw a angel chop the head of a demon off 3 times in a guy who had a demon in him. And it was so easy for the angel to chop the head of the demon of that she, the angel laughed as she chopped the demons head off while laying down on a couch and using a whimpy karate chop to do it with.

Your book sounds like something someone who has had no experience with angels would wright, purely conjectural without any personal experiences to back it up with.

One of my angel friends just thanked me for talking about her. OH I had the most wonderful vision earlier today and was soaring in the spirit so high I couldn't contain myself. I saw a white sea bird flying high in the air and the sea bird looked back at me and wold wink at me. It made me feel as if I was soaring so high with the seabird and also a feeling of such freedom. It was after that that I began soaring in the spirit to the next song which was by fats domino (blueberry hill). I soared so high I was a dancing all over the nursing home dining area. The sea bird was one of my angel friends bringing the love of God to me and trying to spread it around. Angels can take any form, I think it was the one angel friend whose name I know, Sonja. it's been a wonderful day and it isn't over yet. Actually I know the seabird was a female because she was so pretty.

 

[timewerx]

Angels are my friends. They bring the overpowering love of God to me. Angels lead one into perfection and a closer relationship with God and Jesus. They do war with demons over us but it's a miss match. Angels are much more powerful than demons because their boss, God , is much more powerful than the demons God, which is Satan. I saw a angel chop the head of a demon off 3 times in a guy who had a demon in him. And it was so easy for the angel to chop the head of the demon of that she, the angel laughed as she chopped the demons head off while laying down on a couch and using a whimpy karate chop to do it with.

Interesting, never saw such things in "angels".

Usually, they use few select people to see and then enact whatever they have to do through the forces/wrath of nature, which includes manipulating the laws of probability.

Note, if you could manipulate probability, you can affect technology as well, cause it to inexplicably fail for example.

I'm a keen observer of these things and too many fulfilled forecasts to just chalk it up to mere coincidences.

 

[apenman]

Certainly are many different beliefs regarding Angels. The one's detailed in the book are based on scripture, but with very different conclusions than what is seen in traditional doctrine.

 

[drstevej]

You can find it here.

Smashwords ? The Angel Ultimatum ? a book by Alexander Mann

Is this your book?

Alexander Mann is an author, producer, screenwriter, currently credited on the films, Angry Red Planet, Kowel’s Voice, RockLand, and the film version of, “The Angel Ultimatum,” all of which have been announced on IMDB . He spent over two decades as a member of the Christian religion with, “The Angel Ultimatum,” being the culmination of his journey back out of that religion.

 

[apenman]

If you've read it, and wish to discuss something, feel free.

 

[drstevej]

If you've read it, and wish to discuss something, feel free.

Are you the author?

 

[TheBarrd]

I got to page 15 before giving it up as a bad job.

I think the author has made the mistake so many people seem to make...of equating God with His followers...

 

[apenman]

It certainly is a, "God wins in the end," type of book and it absolutely does not equate God with his followers, but rather it breaks it down before building it up again, it just doesn't get there in the 1st chapter.

 

[pgp_protector]

Are you the author?

If you've read it, and wish to discuss something, feel free.

Is this your book?

Starting to smell a bit spammy, giving the avoiding of answering a simple question.

I wonder if Smashwords has a policy about authors whom spam forums ?
(Yep they do)

 

[Albion]

Other than for the angel ultimatum speculation and us standing beside the Creator at the moment of creation, the main thesis here isn't especially rare among orthodox Christians, nor does it conflict with the idea that angels and mortals, having that free will you referred to, messed up.

This book is available for free at Smashwords, the film has been announced on IMDB. This is non-traditional theology which explains everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward, including what caused the war in heaven.

Synopsis

Many would agree that the traditional explanation for creation is completely untenable. Angels are created, only to fight a war, humans are created, only to fall, religion is created, only to fail, so all is flawed, a cascade of one mistake after another. Yet, the Bible itself continues to have a profound influence on our society, even though that influence often results in chaos. The creation of Angels, leads to a chaotic war. The mortal fall, results in a chaotic world. The creation of religion, results in a chaotic struggle between belief systems, resulting in a great deal of religious tension. What explanation could possibly make sense out of such a mess?

Enter, “The Angel Ultimatum,” which is to, “make sense of creation, or else.” Inside we exchange the untenable explanation of creation, for the tenable explanation of the creation of individuality. Once the individual is created, it is then hands off, otherwise individuality is sacrificed, which would oppose the very point of the creation. The resulting, “free will,” must then produce extremes of both good and evil, which can only produce a chaotic society. If then, the Angels are individuals, the same chaos can be expected, and the result can be war. True faith is then expressed through love, and the Divine then connects to the creation through that love, making religion irrelevant.

This is an explanation of everything that has occurred, from the creation of Angels onward. It is a glimpse into the plan that runs seamlessly and quietly, behind the chaos, which appears to make no sense. It takes us to the precipice of creation, where we stand beside a Creator, who must decide to either create individuality, from chaos, knowing everything that will follow, or face eternity alone. Dedicated to every caring person who has ever, or will ever live. Does not promote religion.


You can find it here.

Smashwords ? The Angel Ultimatum ? a book by Alexander Mann

 

[apenman]

Other than for the angel ultimatum speculation and us standing beside the Creator at the moment of creation, the main thesis here isn't especially rare among orthodox Christians, nor does it conflict with the idea that angels and mortals, having that free will you referred to, messed up.

In the book, the explanation of what caused the war in heaven is unique, the explanation of the law of Christ is unique and the completeness of the overall plan is unique.

 

[Albion]

In the book, the explanation of what caused the war in heaven is unique, the explanation of the law of Christ is unique and the completeness of the overall plan is unique.

I'm sure that's so, but the "payoff," i.e. what all of that is leading up to (as you described it), doesn't seem all that remarkable.

 

[apenman]

I'm sure that's so, but the "payoff," i.e. what all of that is leading up to (as you described it), doesn't seem all that remarkable.

The payoff is getting a complete explanation of everything that has taken place, from the creation of Angels onward, whereby this is all by design, as in all foreseen. This is not a salvage operation, or a creation that went sideways. It is an explanation of the creation of individuality in which this all makes sense.

 

[Albion]

The payoff is getting a complete explanation of everything that has taken place, from the creation of Angels onward, whereby this is all by design, as in all foreseen. This is not a salvage operation, or a creation that went sideways. It is an explanation of the creation of individuality in which this all makes sense.

And most Christians would say that there view is about the same as that, if we take away the unique speculation about the angels, our being there at our own creations and so on. There's nothing that demands we argue over this.

 

[apenman]

It's not an argument. Some people enjoy these types of discussions.

 

[Albion]

It's not an argument. Some people enjoy these types of discussions.

They usually like discussions that actually discuss something. My point was simply that you and I have both long since stated our respective views about this issue, and we're now at the stage where all that seems left for us is to repeat ourselves. Let's not do that.

 

[apenman]

This thread is for anyone who wishes to read a free book and/or have a discussion. If not it's totally cool.