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Bad research, Michael.
Is space really expanding? A counterexample (3 Jul 2006; Concepts Phys. 4 (2007) 17-34)
is countered by
Is space expanding in the Friedmann universe models? (18 Sep 2006; accepted for publication in Am. J. Phys)
That is not right, sparow: It is tested science in labs that a moving source of light redshifts the light. This is the Doppler effect. This how police RADAR works.
We use the Doppler effect to measure the speeds of many astronomical objects, e.g. the redshift of stars on one side of a galaxy tells is how fast they are travelling away from us and the blue shift of stars on the other side of a galaxy tells is how fast they are travelling toward us.
The Doppler effect may be in the text book: Perspectives of Modern Physics, Arthur Beiser, formerly Professor of Physics, New York University, 1969, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 68-13508
What makes the redshift that we observe for galaxies cosmological is Hubble's Law.
Thus a galaxy 46 billion light-years away from us means that that universe is at least 46 billion years old.The speed of light is c. Detecting a galaxy that is X light-years away means by basic Newtonian physics that it took the light cX years to get here. Thus a galaxy 13 billion light-years away from us means that that universe is at least 13 billion years old.
Was it Hubble who came up with the idea that empty space is expanding?What makes the redshift that we observe for galaxies cosmological is Hubble's Law.
Think!
I don't know why you're shouting at me to think?
I believe God created the Universe about 6,000 years ago.
I was siting Scientific evidences to prove Humans are still unable to calculate the age of the universe.
Sorry, I wasn't directing that at you, more towards the atheists/agnostics/humanist who are reading. I really like what you said, it helped me better define how I believe God created the universe.
God bless!
The age of the universe can not be determined in a big bang cosmology. In such a cosmology the universe is expanding at an increasing acceleration - changing the rate of local clocks.
As one goes backwards in times clocks must tick faster as well as decay rates become faster.
Using time as we measure it today is useless far into the past. It is valid to only 50 to 60 thousand years. Anything beyond that and the error rate increases exponentially.
I disagree.Clocks ticked at the same rate on Earth 50 million years ago as they do now.
The atheists and God-rejectors came in here with their futile 'theories' and unfounded speculations, and thinking they know what is what, and suggesting that Christians believe in a non-existent creation, but really if we be honest the Christians here in this thread have knocked you all out of the park LOL. You've been owned, give-up! They thought they could come in here spouting their irreligious unfounded scientific spew and got served beyond their ability to comprehend the simple plain truth.
Veracity is the basis of everything that God is. When atheists try to usurp the truth with misnomers and hearsay, all they are doing is making fools of themselves. They cite data as facts, and they name names of 'so-called' experts, but all we see is fallacious claims based-on skewed evidence and poking in the dark, because that's where they live, in the dark. But God has called Christians out of darkness into His marvelous light, in which we now dwell, and His Grace which empowers us to live a life of victory when we choose the right path and walk in faith by the guidance of the holy Spirit and live by integrity and His word. that's why God gave us His word, so we would know what is what, but no, that's not good enough for the God-rejectors! Scoffers and mockers, that essentially is all you are
Ask these atheists if the believe in gravity, they can feel and see the affect of it, but they can't explain it, right? Even these scientists would state gravity as a fact, despite the fact that we can't see it, so they would have us believe that gravity is real, right? Same thing with God... we can observe and feel and know what He does IN US by His holy Spirit, but then ask the Atheists how they can believe in something they can't see like gravity. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
You're playing with fire, Atheists! "For our God is a consuming fire" Heb 12:29
"And it was "morning", and it was "evening", the second day." and so on and so forth < that is very self-explanatory... Holdfast that sound doctrine and the word of truth.
1 John 5:4 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith."
John 8:24 Jesus speaking... "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
KJV - Hebs 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." KJV
1 Corinthians Chap 1 vs 20-21... "Where is the wise? Where is the theologian? Where is the disputer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since in God's wisdom, the world hasn't known God through wisdom; it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
"Above all, wield the sword of the Spirit, which is the WORD OF GOD"
Carbon dating and 'every' other form of modern dating methods have been shown to be false and unreliable and utterly futile. FYI Christians did a test and hid an object in the rocky canyons deep in the earth, and after 3 months when it fossilized they took it and asked the scientists to date it for them, and the scientists said it was 10 million years old.. so there's your futile so-called facts... ROFL
The scientists tell us that here in Australia (i myself was born in New Zealand) that Aborigines are the most ancient race on earth dating into hundreds of thousands of years, but then that is an utter lie, because we know the whole human race started again from 8 people Noah and his family; was Noah and his family Aborigine??? LOL. Wake-up people!
1 Tim 6: 20-21 "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and VAIN BABBLINGS, and oppositions of science FALSELY SO-CALLED:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee."
These scientists spouting speculative garbage everywhere. Look at the documentaries on TV... one minute something is 50 billion years old, the next minute something is 200,000 years old, the next minute something is 10,000 years old blah blah, wild speculative guessing and pure lies! Pulling numbers out of the air at random, just wild speculation and guessing,that's all it is. Let's call a spade a spade and get back to reality shall we... 6000 years ago God created the heaven (space/cosmos/universe) and the earth, end of story LOL
How can dating methods discern a difference between 100 trillion and 60 billion and 40 million??????????????????? What a load of pure absolute garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The earth has been dated (BY NON-CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS) as 6000 years old. The methodology was more reliable (THEY SAID) than counting the rings on a tree (which is infallible). End of story!
There is what is verifiable evidence, and there are fallacies and speculation; unfortunately the atheists will believe in anything as long as they don't have to accept that they are a sinner... 1 John 1:8... "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
C'mon, Atheists, forget the the speculation and theory, THAT's ALL IT IS, in contrast to Genisis chap 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the EVENING AND THE MORNING were THE SIXTH DAY"
What part of that don't you fruitcakes understand??? LOL
Lolsville!I disagree.
The atheists and God-rejectors came in here with their 'theories' and thinking they know what is what, and basically suggesting that Christians believe in a non-existent creation,
but really if we be honest the Christians in this thread have knocked you all out of the park. You've been owned, give-up! You thought you could come in here spouting your irreligious unfounded scientific non-sense, but you got served, plain and simple.
Veracity is the basis of everything that God is. When atheists try to usurp the truth with misnomers and hearsay,
They cite data as facts,
and they name names of self-professed experts, but all we see is fallacious claims based-on skewed evidence and poking in the dark, because that's where they live, in the dark.
But God has called Christians out of darkness into His marvelous light, in which we now dwell, and His Grace empowers us to live a life of victory when we choose the right path and walk in faith by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and live by integrity and the word of God, that's why God gave us His word, so we would know what is what, but no, that's not good enough for the God-rejectors! Scoffers and mockers, that is all you are.
Ask these atheists if the believe in gravity, they can feel and see the affect of it, right? But they can't explain it!
Even God-rejecting scientists state gravity as a fact, despite the fact that we CAN'T SEE IT; so they would have us believe that gravity is real, correct?
Same thing with God... we can observe and feel and know what He does IN US by His Holy Spirit, but then ask the Atheists how they can believe in something they can't see, like gravity. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?
Carbon dating and all other forms of modern dating methods have been shown to be false and unreliable. FYI Christians did a test and hid an object in the rocky canyons deep in the earth, and after 3 months when it fossilized they took it and asked the scientists to date it for them, and the scientists said it was 10 million years old.. so there's your futile so-called facts... ROFL
The scientists tell us that here in Australia that Aborigines are the most ancient race on earth dating into hundreds of thousands of years, but then that is an utter lie, because Christians know the whole human race started again from 8 people, Noah and his family; was Noah and his family Aborigine?? LOL. Wake-up, Aethiests.
These scientists are spouting speculative garbage. Look at the documentaries on TV... one minute something is 200 thousand years old, the next minute something is 50 billion years old, the next minute something is 10 thousand years old blah blah, wild speculative guessing and pure lies! Pulling numbers out of thin air at random, with 'nothing' to substantiate it, just wild speculation and guessing, that's all it is. Let's call a spade a spade and get back to reality shall we... 6000 years ago God created the heaven (space/cosmos/universe) and the earth.
Explain (with veracity) how dating methods can discern a difference between 100 trillion and 60 billion and 40 million. Even a teenager with half a brain-cell could see that doesn't make sense. A load of absolute garbage!!! The earth has been dated (BY NON-CHRISTIAN SCIENTISTS) as 6000 years old. The methodology was more reliable (THEY SAID) than counting the rings on a tree (which is infallible). End of story!
There is what is verifiable evidence, and there are fallacies and speculation, one must know the difference; unfortunately the atheists will believe in anything as long as they don't have to accept that they are a sinner... 1 John 1:8... "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
C'mon, Atheists, forget the the speculation and theory, THAT'S ALL IT IS, in contrast to Genisis chap 1:31 "And God saw every thing that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the EVENING and the MORNING were THE SIXTH DAY"
What part of that don't you fruitcakes understand?? LOL
John 17:17 Jesus speaking... "Sanctify them through thy truth, Father: for thy word is truth."
Is that from his creation series with Mark Eastman?I don't like to speak as if I know what I'm talking about by repeating what I heard from someone else (without giving credit to the true source). I think it's called "parroting". So I would recommend people listen to Chuck Missler's commentary on Genesis. It's been a while since I listened, but I believe he said that after the fall, entropy was introduced and has caused the speed of light to slow down. Somehow that has caused stars that God created from a distance to be seen now, whereas if there never was a fall, they would have been seen long ago.
Something like that. You can find his commentary on youtube for free.
Insulting the people you want to convert? Lovely.
A 6000 year old Earth story and the evidence do not match up. Research, evidence and building theories is what science is all about - just trying to figure out how the universe works which is a pretty awesome thing to do. You do know the scientific use of the word 'theory', don't you?
Providing you've insulted them first.
I am a Christian, I accept evolution, and I practice science, including evolutionary biology. Do you have a problem with any of that?<<Plenty of Christians who accept evolution and love science.>>
There are three words here that are problematic; Christian, evolution and science.
Is that from his creation series with Mark Eastman?
I love Chuck Missler's teachings, and I learned a lot from him.It's from his creation series, I believe it was released in 2004. He gets very scientific. He speaks really fast, but most people should be able to keep up (i had to pause a few times, even rewind... thinking "what?").
He brings up topics I would have never thought of in a conference on Genesis. Such as the structure of atoms, and how the electron revolves around the nucleus, and the distance between the electron and the nucleus is so massive (compared to the size of the nucleus and electron) that the majority of an atom is actually just space. He uses his pulpit as an example, and says it may appear to be solid wood, but actually its majority just empty space. And that the only thing holding the atom (and his pulpit) together solid is God himself.
What brought me to watch his series was a youtube search for the Nephilim. He's a big believer of it (I haven't done enough reading like I should to agree or disagree with him, but the points he brings up are interesting). At least in 2004 he was (not sure if he is now).
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