The Achilles Heel of Atheism

[Cearbhall]

I could also use evidence which points to higher suicide rates among homosexual teens than heterosexual teens. Etc. etc.

How is that logical? That's due to homophobia, not homosexuality.

Yes, exactly my point.

Then why did you use the third person?

 

[KCfromNC]

Then why did you use the third person?

Just trying to point out his hypocrisy in simultaneously calling for a stop to and participating in off topic posting in his threads. Call it dramatic irony, if I remember high school english correctly (and I'm pretty sure I don't).

 

[Cearbhall]

Just trying to point out his hypocrisy in simultaneously calling for a stop to and participating in off topic posting in his threads. Call it dramatic irony, if I remember high school english correctly (and I'm pretty sure I don't).

Ah.

the fact that the human anus is a member of one's digestive system and not their reproductive system etc.

You're correct, but I don't see why this means that it's immoral to consent to having something stuck up there.

None of this appeals in any way to any religion, but rather, the cold hard facts and is undeniable.

I disagree with every single argument that you made.

 

[Elioenai26]

How is that logical? That's due to homophobia, not homosexuality.

Homosexual teens are scared of homosexuals?

Or did you mean to say that homosexual teens kill themselves because of other people being homophobic?

 

[Cearbhall]

Or did you mean to say that homosexual teens kill themselves because of other people being homophobic?

This. Of course the suicide rate is higher for LGBT individuals. Do you have any idea what the average LGBT person goes through on a daily basis?

 

[Elioenai26]

You're correct, but I don't see why this means that it's immoral to consent to having something stuck up there.

If you have no respect for your body, then you would'nt see it as immoral or wrong in the first place.

I disagree with every single argument that you made.

Lol....ok......

 

[Elioenai26]

This. Of course the suicide rate is higher for LGBT individuals. Do you have any idea what the average openly LGBT person goes through on a daily basis?

Of course, I used to be one.

I also have friends that are currently LGBT.

 

[Elioenai26]

Just trying to point out his hypocrisy in simultaneously calling for a stop to and participating in off topic posting in his threads. Call it dramatic irony, if I remember high school english correctly (and I'm pretty sure I don't).

This thread is nearing 500 posts and 50 pages and has been off topic long ago.

The threads in which I asked that people stay on topic still have a chance of being salvaged.

 

[Gadarene]

Of course, I used to be one.

Oh, this'll be good.

 

[Cearbhall]

If you have no respect for your body, then you would'nt see it as immoral or wrong in the first place.

If they don't share your view of bodily respect, then yes, they would disagree with you.

It is possible to stick a penis up there without causing damage, by the way.

And this argument only applies to penetrative sex between males.

 

[Elioenai26]

If they don't share your view of bodily respect, then yes, they would disagree with you.

It is possible to stick a penis up there without causing damage, by the way.

And this argument only applies to penetrative sex between males.

As I stated earlier, one of the definite drawbacks of philosophical naturalism is that under such a view, humans are nothing more than advanced primates, i.e. animals with no intrinsic value or worth. As one scientist stated, we are simply accidental collocations of atoms.

Under this view, we are simply fleshy bags of bone, blood, and bile and water and ultimately it does not really matter what you do to your body because one day everybody will die when our solar system's environment becomes to hostile to support life.

So accordingly, it does not matter what one does to one's body on this view, it is all ultimately meaningless anyway.

 

[Gadarene]

As I stated earlier, one of the definite drawbacks of philosophical naturalism is that under such a view, humans are nothing more than advanced primates, i.e. animals with no intrinsic value or worth. As one scientist stated, we are simply accidental collocations of atoms.

Under this view, we are simply fleshy bags of bone, blood, and bile and water and ultimately it does not really matter what you do to your body because one day everybody will die when our solar system's environment becomes to hostile to support life.

So accordingly, it does not matter what one does to one's body on this view, it is all ultimately meaningless anyway.

Only to those who need a god to dictate to them what meaning is.

And as others have said - when all else fails, preach.

 

[Cearbhall]

As I stated earlier, one of the definite drawbacks of philosophical naturalism is that under such a view, humans are nothing more than advanced primates, i.e. animals with no intrinsic value or worth. As one scientist stated, we are simply accidental collocations of atoms.

Under this view, we are simply fleshy bags of bone, blood, and bile and water and ultimately it does not really matter what you do to your body because one day everybody will die when our solar system's environment becomes to hostile to support life.

So accordingly, it does not matter what one does to one's body on this view, it is all ultimately meaningless anyway.

This is your response to me saying that it's possible to do it WITHOUT causing damage? Though I basically do hold the view that you describe here, I don't see how my statement supports it.

I find it interesting that lesbian sex is apparently closer to being moral that sex between men.

 

[Elioenai26]

Only to those who need a god to dictate to them what meaning is.

And as others have said - when all else fails, preach.

If you will notice, I used the word "ultimate". There is no "ultimate" meaning. This follows necessarily from naturalism.

Now, do people think that they can create meaning for their lives? Of course they do. My point is that this meaning is ultimately only illusory, for actually, under naturalism, the cosmos is indifferent.

In fact, the atheist who seeks to create meaning in his/her life is only participating in an exercise of self-deception and wishful thinking. Why? Because as I said, there really is no meaning, no ultimate purpose that exists beyond themselves. There is no reality with which their manufactured meaning corresponds to.

 

[Elioenai26]

This is your response to me saying that it's possible to do it WITHOUT causing damage? Though I basically do hold the view that you describe here, I don't see how my statement supports it.

I find it interesting that lesbian sex is apparently closer to being moral that sex between men.

They are both immoral. At least under Christianity they are.

 

[Cearbhall]

Now, do people think that they can create meaning for their lives? Of course they do. My point is that this meaning is ultimately only illusory, for actually, under naturalism, the cosmos is indifferent.

In fact, the atheist who seeks to create meaning in his/her life is only participating in an exercise of self-deception and wishful thinking. Why? Because as I said, there really is no meaning, no ultimate purpose that exists beyond themselves. There is no reality with which their manufactured meaning corresponds to.

Actually, we recognize that the meaning we give to our lives is subjective. We feel that religious people are the ones doing what you described.

They are both immoral. At least under Christianity they are.

Yes, but you were trying to give reasons why homosexual activity is objectively wrong, regardless of Christianity.

 

[Gadarene]

If you will notice, I used the word "ultimate". There is no "ultimate" meaning. This follows necessarily from naturalism.

Now, do people think that they can create meaning for their lives? Of course they do. My point is that this meaning is ultimately only illusory, for actually, under naturalism, the cosmos is indifferent.

In fact, the atheist who seeks to create meaning in his/her life is only participating in an exercise of self-deception and wishful thinking. Why? Because as I said, there really is no meaning, no ultimate purpose that exists beyond themselves. There is no reality with which their manufactured meaning corresponds to.

Except for....erm....reality

 

[Elioenai26]

Actually, we recognize that the meaning we give to our lives is subjective. We feel that religious people are the ones doing what you described.

You would have to demonstrate why you are right and the religious are wrong.

Can you do that?

Are you up to that challenge?

 

[Cearbhall]

You would have to demonstrate why you are right and the religious are wrong.

Can you do that?

Are you up to that challenge?

Why do I have to demonstrate it? I have my beliefs and you have yours. I'm fine with that, though your baiting tactics are quite amusing.

 

[Elioenai26]

Except for....erm....reality

And what is that reality, that there is no ultimate meaning, but meaning exists according to the one who makes it i.e each person.

So in the same way an atheist maintains that Christians should not criticize them for their unbelief, an atheist cannot criticize Christians for their belief.

For some, meaning is found in worshipping God.
For some, meaning is found in arguing against the existence of a God they do not believe exists.

Under naturalism, both are equally ultimately illusory.