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the 7 churches

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Another thing the mystery of the seven churches in the timeline shows is that the Catholic Church will have company in the last day in the form of Messianic, Orthodox, and Protestant!

Again, the text does not support your want to twist & allegorize the meaning away from the literal, contemporary, 1st-century application.

Revelation 1:4
"John to the seven churches that are in Asia..."
 
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My candlestick is not based in Rome or in Asia

Terrific.
Neither is your candlestick the subject of the Revelation.
That's 1st century stuff.
 
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Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;- Rev 2:1

Christ walks in the midst of the seven churches... Including Messianic, Orthodox, and what you call Protestant.
 
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It might be interesting but It's not Biblical.
It is a later invention of men forced into the text to appease as previously held bias and has no basis or origin in the text itself.


Any preacher who studies Revelation and prays over his material is going to expound such material differently and you will learn something new. I don't believe there is an Orthodox interpretation of the book. If a preacher prays over his Revelation message and gives you something you never heard before are you going to accuse him of private interpretation?
 
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The seven churches all represent the one true Church Jesus Christ founded. Why would the Word of God mention any other churches, since the existence of other churches is a violation of the will of God. Jesus Christ expressed that divine will when He prayed "That they all may be ONE, even as I and my heavenly Father are ONE". There was a very important reason why God wanted only ONE Church to exist. Truth cannot conflict with truth, therefore as soon as you have two churches with conflicting teaching, one of them is necessarily teaching untruth. When you have thousands of conflicting manmade denominations, you have thousands of false teachings. Jesus promised the ONE Church He founded "The Holy Spirit will guide you into ALL truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Which is why that ONE Church remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years.
 
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The purpose of the book of Revelation....

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.... - Revelation 1:1

And...

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

The prophecy has greater significance then for just seven tiny churches.

Symbology regarding those churches...and? They were REAL, PHYSICAL CHURCHES with REAL, PHYSICAL PEOPLE. Those churches were formed BY John IN Asia IN the 1st Century.
 
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - 2 Tim 3:16

There are mysteries in Revelation that are profitable and relevant to all ages. Especially as the Laodicean one describes our time so perfectly.
 
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ha ha this is going to be a really weird question because i don't know how to explain it but is it possible the 7 churches in revelation represent one church who represents those 7 churches? i don't know when i was reading it ..something hit me and it seemed really familiar to me and sounded like a representation of that one true church. and what about those seven candlesticks? ok you have 7 churches and 7 candlesticks LOL dont they represent that one thing.. no seriously look, read it closely..and could the seven stars represent a crown or something like the seven seals!! lol..i dont know..seems really profound and mysterious...
I have thought for some time the seven churches symbolize the stages one person will go through as they are brought to their own ascension out of the lie. The lie being "Jesus died to pay your sin debt". If your debt was paid then your debt was not forgiven. DTGmin.org
 
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Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;- Rev 2:1

Christ walks in the midst of the seven churches... Including Messianic, Orthodox, and what you call Protestant.

Revelation 1:4
"John to the seven churches that are in Asia..."
 
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Any preacher who studies Revelation and prays over his material is going to expound such material differently and you will learn something new. I don't believe there is an Orthodox interpretation of the book. If a preacher prays over his Revelation message and gives you something you never heard before are you going to accuse him of private interpretation?

If a preacher expounds on the story of Noah and gives me something I’ve never heard before that I can apply to my life, it doesn’t mean I’m going to go build an ark and wait for a flood...
 
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There are mysteries in Revelation that are profitable and relevant to all ages. Especially as the Laodicean one describes our time so perfectly.

You are assuming that because a given passage can be “pastorally” applicable to our time, it must therefore be “prophetically” applicable to our time as well.

See my post above re: the flood, for a quick and devastating refutation of that misguided theory.
 
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ha ha this is going to be a really weird question because i don't know how to explain it but is it possible the 7 churches in revelation represent one church who represents those 7 churches? i don't know when i was reading it ..something hit me and it seemed really familiar to me and sounded like a representation of that one true church. and what about those seven candlesticks? ok you have 7 churches and 7 candlesticks LOL dont they represent that one thing.. no seriously look, read it closely..and could the seven stars represent a crown or something like the seven seals!! lol..i dont know..seems really profound and mysterious...
That is something to look into.
I am currently working on those 7 Churches.

I am now on the 6th Church of Philadelphia, "brotherly love",...........


https://www.christianforums.com/threads/revelation-chapter-2-1st-four-churches.8064465/
Revelation chapter 2 - 1st four Churches

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/revelation-chapter-3-the-last-3-churches.8072344/
Revelation chapter 3: The last 3 Churches.

Reve 3:
7 “And to the Messenger of the Assembly in Philadelphia write!

11 ‘I am coming quickly;
hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
12 ‘He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the Sanctuary of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore;
and I will write on him the name of My God,
and the name of the City of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God,

and My new name.
 
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As you have always heard, and can see on this forum, most everyone thinks it is churches.
It is not.It is Ekklesia.
The church (es) is not even mentioned nor talked about in the Apocalypse.
Semantics, but you are correct concerning the greek word.

Revelation 22:16
'I, Jesus did send my Messenger to testify to ye these things concerning the out-calleds/ἐκ-κλησία (ek-klēsia)<1577>;
I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright, the morning, the star!


#1577 is comprised of both a prefix #1537 and root word #2564-καλέω (kaleō).
It is best if one looks up the root word #2564 in a concordance to see where it is used in the rest of the NT.

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html


1577. ekklesia ek-klay-see'-ah from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):--assembly, church.
1537. ek ek or ex ex a primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence action or motion proceeds), from, out
2564. kaleo kal-eh'-o akin to the base of 2753; to "call" (properly, aloud, but used in a variety of applications, directly or otherwise):--bid, call (forth), (whose, whose sur-)name (was (called)).

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1577&t=YLT

Strong's Number G1577 matches the Greek ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia), which occurs 115 times in 112 verses
Strong's Number G2564 matches the Greek καλέω (kaleō),which occurs 155 times in 138 verses.

#2564 used in 7 verses in Revelation


However, the exact word form of #2564 used in Reve 19:9 is interesting, as it appears to be similar to the "marriage feast" in Matt 22:8......oh, the wonder of His Word!!!

Matthew 22:8 [Revelation 19:9]
then saith he to his servants, The marriage-feast indeed is ready, and those called/κεκλημένοι<2564> were not worthy,


Hebrews 9:15
And because of this, of a new covenant he is mediator, that, death having come for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant,
those called/κεκλημένοι<2564> may receive the promise of the age-during inheritance,


Revelation 19:9 [Matthew 22:8]
And he saith to me, ‘Write: Happy [are] they who to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb have been called/κεκλημένοι<2564>;’

and he saith to me, ‘These [are] the true words of God;’
 
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I see the 7 as the different types of Churches we have in the world.
What's more important is the two Christ had no fault with and why
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Good catch and I agree......The Assemblies of Smyrna and Philadelphia.

Interesting word "smyrna".......

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...er-2-1st-four-churches.8064465/#post-72738395

2:8
"And to The Messenger of the in Assembly of Smyrna, write!.................

Smyrna means “sweet smelling” and comes from the root word for myrrh.

The word "myrrh" is only used 3 times in the NT.
At the birth of Jesus, death and at His burial


Matthew 2:11
and having come to the house, they found the Child with Mary his mother, and having fallen down they bowed to him,
and having opened their treasures, they presented to him gifts, gold, and frankincense, and myrrh,
John 39:
18 and Nicodemus also came -- who came unto Jesus by night at the first --
bearing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, as it were, a hundred pounds.
19 They took, therefore, the body of Jesus, and bound it with linen clothes with the spices, according as it was the custom of the Jews to prepare for burial;
and Nicodemus also came -- who came unto Jesus by night at the first -- bearing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, as it were, a hundred pounds.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev37.htm

“And unto the Messenger of the church in Smyrna write…” (Rev. 2:8).
Of the seven churches, two of them received no indictment from the Lord, nor were they told to repent. The church in Smyrna was known as the “suffering church” because of their severe persecutions, and they were not told to repent.
Smyrna means “sweet smelling” and comes from the root word for myrrh. The myrrh plant is found throughout the Middle East and was used in the manufacture of an aromatic ointment. When bruised and crushed, the myrrh gives forth a lovely fragrance. Myrrh was used to embalm the bodies of the dead. Carefully the linens were prepared, and wound around the bodies of the loved ones, while myrrh was packed between the folds of the cloth. Thus was the body of our Lord embalmed!

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/Revelation/rev54.htm

“And by the Messenger of the church in Philadelphia write!…” (Rev. 3:7).

The Greek word for Philadelphia is Philadelphos and its meaning is “one who loves his brother.” Philadelphia was a young city founded and colonized by people from Pergamos.
Of the seven churches, two of them received no indictment from the Lord, nor were they told to repent.
The church in Smyrna was known as the “suffering church” because of their severe persecutions, and they were not told to repent.
The Lord saw their trouble and tribulation, their poverty and imprisonment, their unswerving steadfastness and great faithfulness, and they did not need to be told to repent. It was in their hearts to repent when the need arose, for the work of God ran deep in their lives.
In fact, not one negative thing is said about the church in Philadelphia!
We can benefit from the positive things said about a church, and we can also benefit from the negative things said about a church.
 
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