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The 11th Commandment -- Thou Shall Not Be Gay

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It's a valid argument that if you condemn others using the books of Leviticus etc., you pretty much need to be Jewish for that to be valid. You can't simply pick one of those laws of out condemn others, and then act like the other 612 aren't there, or are any less valid, so unless you're making an active and honest effort to follow all of those laws, than your argument doesn't seem fair.

Also, there's something to be said for historical context here. I have heard the argument that the type of homosexuality that the New Testament authors are condemning is not what is practiced by most homosexuals currently. Back in Jesus' day, it was not uncommon for a grown man to take a young teenager, and force that teenager to commit to sexual relations. This is what Jesus and the disciples were condemning. Not a loving, respectful, monogamous relationship between two grown, consenting men or women.

As far as it being "unnatural", last I heard, about 10% of most animal species committed homosexual behavior.

The importance here is not to condemn others, but to show them the love that Jesus told us to, and to, perhaps, (gasp!) take that log out of our own eye before we focus so passionatly on the speck in others'.
 
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It is not so much a commandment as it is the deeds of the flesh.. :)
Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.
 
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It's a valid argument that if you condemn others using the books of Leviticus etc., you pretty much need to be Jewish for that to be valid.

One doesn't have to condemn anyone for making mention of leviticus, but rather, point out how people transgress it, and why Jesus came to die for our transgressions and redeem us.

It isn't I who condemn others, but the Law which condemns people for their transgressions.
 
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Your putting words in my mouth. Why are you persecuting me in this way? Do you not understand why there is grace? By Law, you and I are condemned! But God's grace saves us.
So then? Does this mean that we are free to commit the vilest of evils as a result of this free gift from God? No, of course not!
Jesus died so the God's wrath could be satisifed for our transgressions with the death of Jesus.
You haven't listened to what Jesus taught:

Are you so blind that you don't even understand this:
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"
-Matthew 15:11

Are mixed fibers an unclean thing? Is shellfish? No, they are not. They do not defile the body because they originate from the outside.
But from the inside comes evils that originate from the heart. And you and I both know that God looks to the heart to determine a person's character.

"He went on: 'What comes out of a man is what makes him "unclean." For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man "unclean."'"
-Mark 7:20-23

So far, I've been slandered by some of you on this forum and some of you have been arrogant towards me. In addition, you have not spoken to me in love but have insulted me by prejudging me.


Do you not know that we are to "be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
-Matthew 5:48


"With the measure you use, it will be measured to you–and even more."

You should be very careful in promoting homosexuality as not being a transgression, for Jesus himself said these words:
"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck."
-Mark 9:42

Why is it that when a conservative, fundamentalist Christian is called out on inconsistencies between their interpretation of Law (especially those Laws which they expect others to follow, but not the ones which others point out apply to them) and grace (which so often applies to them, but not to others) — they react by using the "you're persecuting us" card?

I thought better of you than that.
 
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Homosexuality is a transgression.
God's grace saves homosexuals through Jesus.
Law and Grace are inseparable.

The Bible is very clear about this, JohnChapter14.

YOU have stated that "Jesus wrote Leviticus".

Do you, or do you not support the public execution of homosexuals (and disobedient children) by stoning?

Yes, or no?
 
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On Stoning: "Who he is without sin may cast the first stone"

But, also remember, Jesus gave us a new commandment "That we love one another as he loved us"


Jesus also said:

"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"
-Matthew 15:11

"He went on: 'What comes out of a man is what makes him "unclean." For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man "unclean."'"
-Mark 7:20-23

Then are you implying that the Bible contradicts itself?

Either we are to stone homosexuals, Wiccans, non-Christians, people who work on the Sabbath and disobedient children to death in public execution, or we're not.

Which is it?

If Jesus wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy, why would He contradict himself in the Gospels?
 
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I dont know how you can say that? :scratch:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Just read this article and then and only then can you argue with me...
http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=246

If "debating" you means we have to read (and use) only articles which are approved by you — guess we're not going to debate you.

Thanks for stopping by. Hope you enjoy your stay at CF! :wave:
 
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Then are you implying that the Bible contradicts itself?

Either we are to stone homosexuals, Wiccans, non-Christians, people who work on the Sabbath and disobedient children to death in public execution, or we're not.

Which is it?

If Jesus wrote Leviticus and Deuteronomy, why would He contradict himself in the Gospels?

The Bible is very clear about this, JohnChapter14.

YOU have stated that "Jesus wrote Leviticus".

Do you, or do you not support the public execution of homosexuals (and disobedient children) by stoning?

Yes, or no?

Why is it that when a conservative, fundamentalist Christian is called out on inconsistencies between their interpretation of Law (especially those Laws which they expect others to follow, but not the ones which others point out apply to them) and grace (which so often applies to them, but not to others) — they react by using the "you're persecuting us" card?

I thought better of you than that.

Sinners have no right to condemn other sinners. Are you righteous? Are you without sin?

In my opinion, if I stone people I would not be keeping these things that Jesus taught us:

"Love others as I have loved you"
"Love others as you would love yourselves"

I am not without sin. I have fallen short of the glory of God. But this doesn't stop me from teaching people what sin is and pointing out that it hurts God's heart to sin against him.

You see. God has a heart and so do we. The whole message about Jesus is God's love and loving each other. Jesus loved us so much that he layed down his life for us, so that God can lovingly forgive our transgressions. In love, we are to not condemn each other and love even our enemies. In love, we are to overlook other peoples sins and forgive them. The father's prayer contains the words "Forgive our sins as we also have forgiven those who sin against us"

We are to go forth, building grace-filled relationships with others and proclaim the gospel, serving others in love and compassion and bringing Christ into the lives of others.

I invite you to watch this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DbyHtq-2sGU

I have reflected on what some of you have told me a while back, about focusing on the topic of homosexuality. I have reflected on this. I shouldn't be focusing on the sins of others but rather reaching out to people in love. (In real life this has been my focus)

Perhaps you have had some bad experiences with Baptists before?
I invite you to hear and listen to some of my Churches sermons:
You can listen to the sessions here:
http://dsfpodcast.blogspot.com/

This will give you an idea of what my church.

"I AM" gave the laws to Moses in an external system of worship that focused on the externals of oneself.

Today, I read over leviticus and over half of the book is dedicated to outer cleanliness and uncleanliness and atoning for sins.

Jesus affirmed this by saying one is unclean by what comes from the heart and not what happens on the outside. Jesus also affirmed the law by being our High priest, acting as the sacrifice for our sins so that we may be forgiven.

Jesus came to save, not to condemn. The wrath of God was turned on Jesus and not us.

Today, I cried today when I partook in the New Covenant as I reflected upon Jesus and how he sacrificed himself for me. I do not deserve his sacrifice. I am unworthy of it. But I am thankful he died for me.

How can I, a sinner, who considers himself unworthy of Jesus, have it in his mind to condemn others when I myself feel condemned by what I do?

I'm not righteous in any way. I deserve death for what I have done in the past to dishonor my brothers and my parents. Go ahead and stone me if you think you are so righteous. I deserve it. I don't support stoning anyone but if you feel it is right to do so, then go ahead. If you consider me your enemy so much as to stone me, then so be it. I will turn my other cheek so you can do so.

But Jesus forgave my sins for being on the cross and I believe in Him. God personally made Jesus die so that I didn't have to.

I'm a freaking sinner everyday. I sin and don't even relize it! Did you know that when you call in sick and lie to your employer about being sick that you are sinning? But as we walk with God in the Spirit, we come to relize what sins we commit and do our best to limit and eliminate them from our lives. Our fellow Christians who point these out are doing it in love, not in hate, so that we can further our spiritual relationship with God through Christ.

In my relationship with God through Christ, The Holy Spirit guides me and helps me to relize what I am doing wrong and what sins I am comitting. Scripture never told me touching yourself was wrong, but the Holy Spirit allowed me to understand this by what Jesus said about lusting from the heart. Jesus taught us that if we look at someone in a lustful way(such as a women) that we are comitting lust within our hearts. When I speak of Leviticus, I speak about a law relating to your heart, not as part of a system of rules that condemn you. Jesus spoke of sexual immorality as laws from the heart, saying you shouldn't do them because it is rebellious against God. Evil is a rebellious thing against our God. It is lawlessness from the heart, but where our hearts our and not by what we do.

Perhaps you can stop prejudging me as a homophobe who believes in the stoning of homosexuals or the condemnation of them. You want to know what I believe in? I believe the law condemns us all to death. I believe we have all rebelled against God at some point in our life and we all fall short of the glory of God and our only hope is in Jesus.

I believe we cannot ignore what Jesus taught and try to come to terms about what scripture means according to our own wisdom. I believe we must accept the bible for what it is, but rather focus on Adam and Eve and Revelation and other trivial things that some of us feel are stumbling blocks, look at the whole picture of God's character and how we can love him and how he loves us.


We serve God through our hearts, not by our mouths.
 
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[SIZE=-1]Romans 1 is an idolatry violation:
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http://www.opendoorcenter.com/myths_&_facts.htm

That is the big LIE of homosexuality which you will find at virtually all (pro)homosexual websites, such as the one you linked to. Here is something I have posted several times which has NEVER been addressed or replied to, in any meaningful manner.

Note in all these quotes from the early church that homosexuality is NEVER linked to pagan worship situations or limited in any way. The early church understood that scripture condemned ALL homosexual acts, by ALL person, male or female, ALL ages, ALL places, ALL circumstances.

The early church interpreted [size=+1]αρσενοκοιτης[/size]/arsenokoités [1 Cor 6:9] variously as,
• “sodomy,”
• “filth of sodomy,”
• ” lawless lust,”
• “lust,”
• “impurity,”
• “works of the flesh,”
• “carnal,”
• “lawless intercourse,”
• “shameless,”
• “burning with insane love for boys,”
• “licentiousness,”
• “co-habitors with males,”
• “lusters after mankind
• “monstrosities
”, etc.​
Quoted from; Ignatius, 30-107 AD; Polycarp 65 - 155 AD; Irenaeus, 120-202 AD; Theophilus, 115 - 181 AD; Clement of Alexandria, 153 - 217 AD; Tertullian, 145-220 AD; Cyprian, 200-258 AD; and Origen, 185-254 AD.

Note the dates, of these writings, extend from ca. 50 AD through 258 AD, more than 250 years.
Epistle Of Ignatius [Disciple of John] To The Ephesians [A.D. 30-107.]

But as to the practice of magic, or the impure love of boys, or murder, it is superfluous to write to you, since such vices are forbidden to be committed even by the Gentiles. I do not issue commands on these points as if I were an apostle; but, as your fellow-servant, I put you in mind of them.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.html

Epistle of Polycarp [Disciple of John] to the Philippians Chapter V.-The Duties of Deacons, Youths, and Virgins. [65 - 155 AD]

In like manner, let the young men also be blameless in all things, being especially careful to preserve purity, and keeping themselves in, as with a bridle, from every kind of evil. For it is well that they should be cut off from the lusts that are in the world, since "every lust warreth against the spirit; " and "neither fornicators, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, shall inherit the kingdom of God, [1 Cor 6:9] " nor those who do things inconsistent and unbecoming.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.iv.ii.html

Irenaeus [Disciple of Polycarp]Against Heresies Book V [120-202 AD]

So also he who has continued in the aforesaid works of the flesh, being truly reckoned as carnal, because he did not receive the Spirit of God, shall not have power to inherit the kingdom of heaven. As, again, the same apostle [Paul] testifies, saying to the Corinthians, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not err," he says: "neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor revilers, nor rapacious persons, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And these ye indeed have been; but ye have been washed, but ye have been sanctified, but ye have been justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." [1 Cor 6:9].

Since, therefore, in that passage [1 Cor 6:9] he [Paul] recounts those works of the flesh which are without the Spirit, which bring death [upon their doers],

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.html


Theophilus to Autolycus Book III [115 - 181 AD]
Chapter VI.-Other Opinions of the Philosophers.


And these things the other laws of the Romans and Greeks also prohibit. Why, then, do Epicurus and the Stoics teach incest and sodomy, with which doctrines they have filled libraries, so that from boyhood this lawless intercourse is learned?

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.iv.ii.iii.html

Clement of Alexandria The Instructor. [Paedagogus.] Book III [153 - 217 AD]

The fate of the Sodomites was judgment to those who had done wrong, instruction to those who hear. The Sodomites having, through much luxury, fallen into uncleanness, practicing adultery shamelessly, and burning with insane love for boys; the All-seeing Word, whose notice those who commit impieties cannot escape, cast His eye on them. . . .Accordingly, the just punishment of the Sodomites became to men an image of the salvation which is well calculated for men.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.html

Clement of Alexandria Exhortation To The Heathen

And what are the laws? “Thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not commit adultery; thou shalt not seduce boys; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not bear false witness; thou shalt love the Lord thy God.” And the complements of these are those laws of reason and words of sanctity which are inscribed on men’s hearts: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself; to him who strikes thee on the cheek, present also the other;” “thou shalt not lust, for by lust alone thou hast committed adultery.”

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.ii.html

Clement of Alexandria The Instructor [Paedagogus] Book 1

But life has reached this pitch of licentiousness through the wantonness of wickedness, and lasciviousness is diffused over the cities, having become law. Beside them women stand in the stews, offering their own flesh for hire for lewd pleasure, and boys, taught to deny their sex, act the part of women. Luxury has deranged all things; it has disgraced man. A luxurious niceness seeks everything, attempts everything, forces everything, coerces nature. Men play the part of women, and women that of men, contrary to nature; women are at once wives and husbands: no passage is closed against libidinousness; [i.e. every possible body orifice is used for “lechery.”] and their promiscuous lechery is a public institution, and luxury is domesticated.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.i.html

Clement of Alexandria The Instructor - Pedagogos Book 3
Chapter 3
Against Men Who Embellish Themselves


Such was predicted of old, and the result is notorious: the whole earth has now become full of fornication and wickedness. I admire the ancient legislators of the Romans: these detested effeminacy of conduct; and the giving of the body to feminine purposes, contrary to the law of nature, they judged worthy of the extremest penalty, according to the righteousness of the law.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.iii.html

Tertullian On Modesty [145-220 AD]
Chapter XVI.-General Consistency of the Apostle.


Just as, again, among all other crimes-nay, even before all others-when affirming that "adulterers, and fornicators, and effeminates, and co-habitors with males, will not attain the kingdom of God, [1 Cor 6:9]" he premised, "Do not err" -to wit, if you think they will attain it. But to them from whom "the kingdom" is taken away, of course the life which exists in the kingdom is not permitted either. Moreover, by superadding, "But such indeed ye have been; but ye have received ablution, but ye have been sanctified, in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God;" [1 Cor 6:9]

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.iii.viii.html

Tertullian The Chaplet, or De Corona. Chapter VI.

Demanding then a law of God, you have that common one [law] prevailing all over the world, engraven on the natural tables to which the apostle too is wont to appeal, as when in respect. of the woman's veil he says, "Does not even Nature teach you? " -as when to the Romans, affirming that the heathen do by nature those things which the law requires, he suggests both natural law and a law-revealing nature. Yes, and also in the first chapter of the epistle [Rom 1.] he authenticates nature, when he asserts that males and females changed among themselves the natural use of the creature into that which is unnatural, by way of penal retribution for their error. [Rom 1:27]

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf03.iv.vi.html

Tertullian VII. On Modesty.[sup]1[/sup] Chapter IV.-Adultery and Fornication Synonymous.

Accordingly, among us, secret connections as well-connections, that is, not first professed in presence of the Church-run risk of being judged akin to adultery and fornication; nor must we let them, if thereafter woven together by the covering of marriage, elude the charge. But all the other frenzies of passions-impious both toward the bodies and toward the sexes-beyond the laws of nature, we banish not only from the threshold, but from all shelter of the Church, because they are not sins, but monstrosities.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.iii.viii.html

Cyprian Treatise XII Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews [200-258 AD]

65.
That all sins are put away in baptism.

In the first Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians: "Neither fornicators, nor those who serve idols, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor the lusters after mankind, nor thieves, nor cheaters, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers, shall obtain the kingdom of God. And these things indeed ye were: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God." [1 Cor 6:9][/b].

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf05.iv.v.xii.html

Origen Against Celsus Book 8 [185-254 AD] [student of Clement of Alexandria]

and that they often exhibit in their character a high degree of gravity, of purity, and
integrity; while those who call themselves wise have despised these virtues, and have wallowed in the filth of sodomy, in lawless lust, “men with men working that which is unseemly.” [Rom 1:27]

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf04.vi.ix.viii.html
 
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[SIZE=-1]Do you, or do you not support the public execution of homosexuals (and disobedient children) by stoning?

Yes, or no?[/SIZE]

Irrelevant logical fallacy argument the deliberate intent of which is to divert attention away from the truth and obfuscate the discussion by making allusions to irrelevant passages of scripture.

The passages alluded to have a context which deliberately deceptive and argumentative homosexuals ignore. That context was that capital punishment could only be administered by a lawfully constituted Sanhedrin, in the Jerusalem temple, and only on the testimony of at least two witnesses. Now if all those requirements can be met this argument might be valid.

Uber needs to get busy rebuilding the temple in Jerusalem and first he must deal with all the Muslims who will defend the destruction of the Dome of the Rock with every drop of their blood. OBTW the Dome of the Rock sits on the exact spot where God commanded the temple to be built.
 
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[SIZE=-1]If "debating" you means we have to read (and use) only articles which are approved by you — guess we're not going to debate you.

Thanks for stopping by. Hope you enjoy your stay at CF![/SIZE]
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NO! Use only credible, verifiable historical information by recognized scholars NOT the usual rubbish from homosexuals-Я-us.com® which is posted/reposted all over the internet and believed simply because it supports homosexuality. Do you have anything, anything at all, that qualifies? Didn't think so.
 
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[SIZE=-1]Why is it that when a conservative, fundamentalist Christian is called out on inconsistencies between their interpretation of Law (especially those Laws which they expect others to follow, but not the ones which others point out apply to them) and grace (which so often applies to them, but not to others) — they react by using the "you're persecuting us" card?

I thought better of you than that.[/SIZE]

I thought better of you than that. Misrepresenting scripture and the Biblical position on homosexuality, and it is deliberate because I personally have proved this to you before, but you couldn't hack it so you put me on ignore.
 
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I thought better of you than that. Misrepresenting scripture and the Biblical position on homosexuality, and it is deliberate because I personally have proved this to you before, but you couldn't hack it so you put me on ignore.
You have proven nothing, except that you misinterpret the Old Law, which has been proven against you. It has been abolished anyways, my guess is you have not come to terms with your own true self.
 
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You have proven nothing, except that you misinterpret the Old Law, which has been proven against you. It has been abolished anyways, my guess is you have not come to terms with your own true self.

"And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck."
-Mark 9:42


"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Matthew 5:17-20
 
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False translations... You guys need to do more research before debating here!

How in the world is that false translations? Read it yourself are you in denial about it because you know your wrong?:scratch:
 
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You have proven nothing, except that you misinterpret the Old Law, which has been proven against you. It has been abolished anyways, my guess is you have not come to terms with your own true self.

What? Dear Lord. From the looks of this debate you have no come to terms with yourself and the Bible and the doctrine that the true christians on this forum have brought forth. It sounds to be that you are too prideful and arrogant to believe anything on here, and if you want to be that way you know where the sign off button is. because you brought forth this debate and you have to expect biblical answers, and it seems to me that you cannot except those answers. So why donts you take your prideful, self out of here unless you can take the constructive critiscm. :swoon:
 
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Greetings :wave:

I usually don't participate in debates on homosexuality simply because 'it ain't none of my business'. But I am curious, so I was wondering if someone could answer a question for me.

The OT law outlines male homosexual relations in its statutes on sexual conduct. It basically describes it as "confusion" which makes total sense to me in that it is not God's design for sexuality. So what exactly is the major hang up? How can it be debated?
 
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It is not so much a commandment as it is the deeds of the flesh.. :)
Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

The only problem that I can see with that is that there are many other things which are perfectly allowable and are also the deeds of the flesh. Should we abstain from eating, drinking and male-female sexual relations?
 
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