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I see how your mind works now Catherineanne, you believe something because no one can show that it's not true,
while we do not believe something because no one can show that it is true.
You believe that there might be pink elepants flying around Mars because no one can show they don't, whilst we don't because no one can show that they do.
Wouldn't it be better just to believe the things you KNOW to be true?
rather than believe things that you don't know are true just because no one can show that they're not.
I have heard about thinking sideways but you think backwards by believing everything.
So what if in the future we create a device that repels the polarity of water, allowing a human to walk on water?
Nice try, but no cigar.
I believe that which I have experienced, and found to be true. I do not expect anyone else to understand that experience, because their understanding is far more dependent on their ability to see, than on my ability to communicate.
In this universe there are no pink elephants, no flying elephants and no creatures flying around Mars.
Anyone who wants to believe that there are, is free to do so. Just as atheists are free to believe there is no God; such belief has no bearing on objective reality. Or, putting it another way, God's existence, or that of angels, is not dependent on our belief.
Indeed so, and I do.
I just don't expect others to know what I know. Everyone has a different path in life, and therefore everyone sees things differently along the way.
Twaddle.
One man's faith is another man's myth. That is why I would love to read evidence of angels. (Other than their obvious existence in The Bible.)Not to mention mythological characters
From my understandings you advocate subjectivity as the only reality? What is true for one is not true for another? Forgive me if i'm wrong, just trying to get a grasp on your perspective.
One man's faith is another man's myth. That is why I would love to read evidence of angels. (Other than their obvious existence in The Bible.)
But only if it's a Christian psychologist, right?There is also psychology, strangely enough. If a person speaks to his or her psychologist and says they have encountered angels...
There are many different realities. There is objective reality, which can be measured, and there is subjective reality, which cannot. There are probably other kinds as well, but it is getting late and I can't think of them at present. Realities by mathematical deduction, perhaps.
My experience of God falls within the subjective reality bit. I can't show anyone a photograph, or an email. I can't prove that I have met angels, or that they have ministered to me. I could point to events in my life, but none of these are proof; they are only evidence. And evidence is only accepted by those who accept it; it is always subjective. It is meaningless to talk about such experiences to those who do not share my own frame of reference in relation to God, because in essence I will be speaking a foreign language. Therefore there is no point trying; it would sound the same to an unbeliever as someone talking about the Loch Ness Monster.
This does not mean that I think God is the same as the Loch Ness Monster, only that I can see that for some people he is. For me he is not. Which is fortunate for me; that would be a really weird God.
The angels are around us all of the time. Lots of them. If you have the ability to see them, then you can see them. You can talk to them, and you can ask them for favours.
Angels are God's messengers. They take our prayers to God, and they bring us his consolation and his peace. When we are in distress, and there is nobody else to comfort us, then the angels come.
I have seen them lots of times; whenever I look for them, really. It is a matter of perception.
None of this is evidence, unless you accept it as evidence. There is no reason why anyone should do so, unless they want to. But not accepting it does not make it untrue.
Have you ever seen a demon?The angels are around us all of the time. Lots of them. If you have the ability to see them, then you can see them. You can talk to them, and you can ask them for favours.
Very good, you are of a rare theistic breed. I can actually admire someone who can admit to the subjectivity of god.
To me shared subjectivity is equivalent to objectivity. Ultimately all things, be it religion, or science is shared subjectivity. If we all agree that the sky is blue, and we all agree what blue is, then we have made a shared subjective conclusion.
I am not religious because, obviously, I have not had a subjective experience great enough to convince me of god. Even if I did i'm not sure I would rule out schizophrenia.
But only if it's a Christian psychologist, right?
Talking to a [lay] psychologist about looking forward to Heaven, or that you tell the devil to 'get lost' can land you in the psych ward.
Because there's a big difference between someone who believes they see angels, or talks to god? Where do you draw the line? What is considered delusional? Is merely talking albout angels, demons and god ok, but acting out what they "tell" you to do, not ok?But only if it's a Christian psychologist, right?
Talking to a [lay] psychologist about looking forward to Heaven, or that you tell the devil to 'get lost' can land you in the psych ward.
See? Like talking about the Loch Ness Monster.
Because there's a big difference between someone who believes they see angels, or talks to god? Where do you draw the line? What is considered delusional? Is merely talking albout angels, demons and god ok, but acting out what they "tell" you to do, not ok?
At what point is someone diagnosed as crazy?
i wonder how it would turn out if we were the only two shipwrecked on an island
Because there's a big difference between someone who believes they see angels, or talks to god? Where do you draw the line? What is considered delusional? Is merely talking albout angels, demons and god ok, but acting out what they "tell" you to do, not ok?
At what point is someone diagnosed as crazy?
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