Texas will require public school classrooms to display Ten Commandments under bill nearing passage

[GoldenBoy89]

How about a compromise? Put up signs that say “sin free zone” or “sin free school.” They would likely be just as effective.

 

[BCP1928]

Even still, while your point may apply to some, for others it might be something else. Besides, Christianity really is our culture - it's traditions are woven into the very fabric of who we all are as a people. We are the Western World.

...The least you could do is entertain the notion of preserving our heritage.

Why should we continue on in the same direction with that culture?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Even still, while your point may apply to some, for others it might be something else. Besides, Christianity really is our culture - it's traditions are woven into the very fabric of who we all are as a people. We are the Western World.

...The least you could do is entertain the notion of preserving our heritage.

Even if it is, it does not justify putting religious *doctrine* into classrooms.

 

[Bradskii]

Even still, while your point may apply to some, for others it might be something else. Besides, Christianity really is our culture - it's traditions are woven into the very fabric of who we all are as a people.

The 'we' you are talking about are Christians. One third of the country you are in are not. About 80% have no connection with your specific denomination.

...The least you could do is entertain the notion of preserving our heritage.

Feel free to put up posters and pictures in your home, in your church...wherever Christians gather. Preserve your specific heritage (which is not Catholic anyway in the US). Put up a picture of the pope somewhere. No-one can impose their beliefs onto you. So please don't dare to think that you can impose your specific beliefs onto others.

 

[A2SG]

Even still, while your point may apply to some, for others it might be something else. Besides, Christianity really is our culture - it's traditions are woven into the very fabric of who we all are as a people. We are the Western World.

...The least you could do is entertain the notion of preserving our heritage.

If you wanted to preserve the culture of the United States, how does displaying the ten commandments do that? The ten commandments do not reflect our laws. Only two, two and half at best, are actually illegal, the rest are either perfectly legal, protected rights in the Constitution, or the very basis for our economic system, a system that Christians have no problem endorsing and defending.

How does that reflect our culture? And, since the Constitution does specifically prohibit the government endorsing any one religion, wouldn't that reflect our country and its culture more than some set of laws in a religious text, most of which don't even apply? Unless you're gunning for a theocracy...which would very much NOT reflect the culture of the United States.

Thing is, while Christianity may well be part of our culture, so are a lot of things. For example, rebelling against authority is also part of our culture, this nation was founded by doing exactly that, including a specific act where Americans stole tea and dumped it in Boston Harbor. When our own government imposed laws that many Americans disagreed with, specifically prohibiting alcohol, Americans rebelled and built and entire system of speakeasies and organized crime to bring alcohol to people who wanted it. For that matter, there are many Americans who believe the second amendment was put in the Constitution to allow private citizens the arms they'd need to rebel against an authoritarian government. It can easily be said that rebelling against authority is very much part of American culture and heritage.

Why not display those historic events that reflect our culture and heritage on school walls instead?

-- A2SG, if, in fact, that's truly what this is all about.....

 

[essentialsaltes]

Federal judge blocks Texas law requiring Ten Commandments displayed in public school classrooms​

U.S. District Court Judge Fred Biery issued a preliminary injunction in Rabbi Nathan v. Alamo Heights Independent School District, ruling that Texas Senate Bill 10, set to take effect Sept. 1, likely violates both the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment.

The plaintiffs included Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Unitarian Universalist and nonreligious families with children in Texas public schools. They were represented by the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, and pro bono counsel from Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP.

Plaintiff Rabbi Mara Nathan called the decision a win for parents' rights: "Children's religious beliefs should be instilled by parents and faith communities, not politicians and public schools."

 

[Say it aint so]

Federal judge blocks Texas law requiring Ten Commandments displayed in public school classrooms​

U.S. District Court Judge Fred Biery issued a preliminary injunction in Rabbi Nathan v. Alamo Heights Independent School District, ruling that Texas Senate Bill 10, set to take effect Sept. 1, likely violates both the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment.

The plaintiffs included Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Unitarian Universalist and nonreligious families with children in Texas public schools. They were represented by the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Freedom from Religion Foundation, and pro bono counsel from Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP.

Plaintiff Rabbi Mara Nathan called the decision a win for parents' rights: "Children's religious beliefs should be instilled by parents and faith communities, not politicians and public schools."

A hypothetical made by the Judge in the decision:

The separation of church and state is one of the things that let this little experiment of a democratically elected republic work. That along as with what the judge said about the majority not having special rights to trample over the minority. Those principles along with the principles of separation of powers those Puritans came to establish in the states are being stress tested right now. Hopefully, it still works out as intended.

 

[durangodawood]

A hypothetical made by the Judge in the decision:

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The separation of church and state is one of the things that let this little experiment of a democratically elected republic work. That along as with what the judge said about the majority not having special rights to trample over the minority. Those principles along with the principles of separation of powers those Puritans came to establish in the states are being stress tested right now. Hopefully, it still works out as intended.

The reasoning in the hypothetical is so clear and obvious that I think the Christian proponents of this 10 Commandments law are no longer interested the the First Amendment protections from state imposed religion at all.

Instead, they are fine with the state promoting their religion while they are confident they can get the state - every state - to deny the same to other religions through force of law, which they will come to dominate via an engineered tyranny by the minority type situation..

 

[Say it aint so]

The reasoning in the hypothetical is so clear and obvious that I think the Christian proponents of this 10 Commandments law are no longer interested the the First Amendment protections from state imposed religion at all.

Instead, they are fine with the state promoting their religion while they are confident they can get the state - every state - to deny the same to other religions through force of law, which they will come to dominate via an engineered tyranny by the minority type situation..

The problem here, and my concern, is there is a current crop of SCOTUS justices who can't be depended to uphold what is clearly written as the 1st amendment. They decree strict constitutionalist when serves them, and ignore that same constitution ideology when it suits them.