• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Test your educational level.

PsychoSarah

Chaotic Neutral
Jan 13, 2014
20,522
2,609
✟110,463.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
And that is the problem.

That equation is NOT a law, despite lower level physics misnaming it as such.

It is a definition , in this case of resistance, it is NOT ohms law despite being mislabelled as such so often it has gained the status of fact. Indeed to a purist it is not even an equation. It is an identity if rewritten correctly as -
R identically equal to V/I
-_- and I have a Bachelor's degree in Biomedical sciences, not physics. Despite taking phys 1 and 2, there wasn't a reason I suppose for getting super technical about that. And I am pretty sure most people would call it Ohm's law as a short hand, because what else are you going to call it?

By the way, R identically equal to V/I is just R=V/I written out. For practical application, they mean the same thing.


And it is incumbent on all in high level education at least to understand what science is and what it is not, or indeed to understand the meaning of words like hypothesis , theory and law, definition and axiomatic model.

In almost all disciplines scientific process and modelling is used, and it is vital to understand the limits of it. What it can tell you, what it cannot.
I feel like you are lecturing me as if assuming I am not a college graduate. I am, just not a physics major.

So understanding the difference between definitions and experimental laws, axiomatic and fundamental models, is vital to any would be researcher, business included - Particularly those who wish to model using statistical correlations, to understand that correlation is not cause.

So for example observation of salary difference or numbers in salary bands between male and female is not demonstration of causal discrimination.

As a now ex employer of many high calibre masters, doctorate and post doctoral staff, I used a set of questions to discover those who had IQ and understanding needed for such calling, many did not. The failures were rote learners - that is - they were a database without a big enough CPU!
Holy cannoli can you rant.
 
Upvote 0

PsychoSarah

Chaotic Neutral
Jan 13, 2014
20,522
2,609
✟110,463.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
It may have graded on a curve, or maybe it makes an allowance for a wide margin of error?
My guess is that it's just based on how many answers you get right, with allowing at least 2 wrong and still granting "PhD", given that I misread which world war it was asking about, and because I misclicked on one and thus accidentally got a wrong answer (I didn't care to go back and fix it, because I sincerely didn't care what result it gave me).
 
Upvote 0

Go Braves

I miss Senator McCain
May 18, 2017
9,646
8,983
Atlanta
✟30,598.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Education implies formal learning. Experience based knowledge is just as useful, maybe more so. My career (various vocational experiences) are almost totally disconnected from my 'education', with the exception of some math. In the broader sense a person's education is the sum total of all his or her knowledge, whether based on formal education or lifetime experience. Both are necessary of course.

Sure, I agree that both are important. It's why I wrote education and career. There's folks with PhDs who are underemployed. There's folks who never earned an education but built up a strong career. The point I was making is that tangible metrics are what matters, not online tests that claim to test your educational level but don't at all.

The quiz I answered was just silly. I got PhD but I think there's a lot of kids in middle school who could have gotten it too. It doesn't in any way show the level of someone's education, more like their ability to do well in a game of Trivial Pursuit. I'm not saying that having knowledge about what the quiz asks lacks value, on account of how of course it does, just that it surely doesn't indicate the level of education somebody has.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: OldWiseGuy
Upvote 0

AV1611VET

SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE
Site Supporter
Jun 18, 2006
3,856,435
52,724
Guam
✟5,182,747.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
My guess is that it's just based on how many answers you get right, with allowing at least 2 wrong and still granting "PhD", given that I misread which world war it was asking about, and because I misclicked on one and thus accidentally got a wrong answer (I didn't care to go back and fix it, because I sincerely didn't care what result it gave me).
Well a PhD is a PhD is a PhD.

So you didn't graduate summa cum laude.

Big deal. ^_^
 
Upvote 0

Ophiolite

Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape
Nov 12, 2008
9,504
10,373
✟302,925.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Private
It is most certainly only one of them, and only one.

But I won't say which till more have guessed, it is also an essential distinction to understand the foundarion and scope of science, but sadly not taught till well into university, so is a measure of educational level.
While, I agree that it can give insights into educational level I suspect we would disagree as to the significance of those insights. I maintain, unsurprisingly, that concerning oneself with whether it is a Law or a definition is a trivial matter, since its importance lies in what the equation tells us about the relationship. And I shall go further, to state that it is self-evidently not a definition, for it lacks the character of a definition, something that defines. Further - as I previously noted - the concept of Laws is outmoded and the term is retained for convenience and because of historical lethargy.
While I am waiting for your revelation, perhaps you would tell me if you think Laws have the same status in each science? I suggest the answer to that question can reveal something of the breadth of ones science education, rather than its depth.
 
Upvote 0

Mountainmike

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Nov 2, 2016
4,831
1,652
68
Northern uk
✟699,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
I thought people might be interested in the formal structure of science - which tends to divide those in higher echelons from journeyman.

Identity and equality are not the same thing.
The presentation of the identity has to be expressed I. the form I showed because it defines resistance - which therefore must appear on the left of the identity. In that context the manipulations of the equality are not the same.

Ohms law has nothing to do with that definition per se - it neither modifies it nor qualifies it,
Ohms law defines classes of materials and operating points in which resistance is ( reasonably) constant - a different issue all together.

It is the difference between (say)
1/ Defining blood alcohol level.
2/ Expressing a test for blood alcohol level. ( and limitation of that)
3/ the evaluation of driving performance and correlating with blood alcohol level
And
4/ a law ( uses the word law in different context) that makes 80 mg a bannable driving offence.

The four things are undoubtedly linked.
But definition 1/ and the other three parts of that are logically not the same thing at all.
Neither is ohms law the definition , that is often and wrongly given that name.



Failing to understand that difference is the discriminating factor on education.

All the people I know with three and four sigma IQ, 160, 180 and plus understand it, to whom it is obvious, Few with IQ below 120 can even see the issue being made. Which was the point of the quiz?


As Christians it is important because it helps to define the context of science, and in doing so destroys pillars of new atheist arguments who build science into something it is not.

This thread was considering tests to show level of academic thinking,
I thought this was an interesting test case, since this and other puzzles I used in interviewing candidates in businesses in which I employed many doctorates and post doctoral.

Let's move on.


-_- and I have a Bachelor's degree in Biomedical sciences, not physics. Despite taking phys 1 and 2, there wasn't a reason I suppose for getting super technical about that. And I am pretty sure most people would call it Ohm's law as a short hand, because what else are you going to call it?

By the way, R identically equal to V/I is just R=V/I written out. For practical application, they mean the same thing.



I feel like you are lecturing me as if assuming I am not a college graduate. I am, just not a physics major.


Holy cannoli can you rant.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Mountainmike

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Nov 2, 2016
4,831
1,652
68
Northern uk
✟699,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Well a PhD is a PhD is a PhD.

So you didn't graduate summa cum laude.

Big deal. ^_^
Here in the UK they now call every course a degree course, so a big chunk of the population are graduates, and it does not serve to elevate them, it serves to devalue graduate status, and makes a nightmare for employers - and education funding,

So now employers that used to take graduates, want msc for the same job,those that once would accept msc, now want post docs, and science education is so watered down candidates have slipped a full year in what they know at the time they enter university. So four year courses achieve no more than three once did.

It seems to make educators and governments feel better, awarding all an A star.... all it does is devalue A star. And that attitude now results in ranking Britain in comparative tests as a third world standard education!

So a PhD is not always a PhD!
It matters what subject and where ( and when) it was awarded!
Some are seemingly given away with a box of breakfast cereal!

The entrance qualification for some institutions is now just a pulse.
And judging by some graduates, I interviewed I think a waiver is sometimes even given on that!

I am not an academic snob, i dislike the bombastic attitude of many academics,
in fact many of my friends have little education. But as a now ex employer of high IQ people I have to be concerned with who can do what jobs, and so the eroding of qualifications.
 
Last edited:
  • Informative
Reactions: AV1611VET
Upvote 0

PsychoSarah

Chaotic Neutral
Jan 13, 2014
20,522
2,609
✟110,463.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
I thought people might be interested in the formal structure of science - which tends to divide those in higher echelons from journeyman.

Identity and equality are not the same thing.
The presentation of the identity has to be expressed I. the form I showed because it defines resistance - which therefore must appear on the left of the identity. In that context the manipulations of the equality are not the same.

Ohms law has nothing to do with that definition per se - it neither modifies it nor qualifies it,
Ohms law defines classes of materials and operating points in which resistance is ( reasonably) constant - a different issue all together.

It is the difference between (say)
1/ Defining blood alcohol level.
2/ Expressing a test for blood alcohol level. ( and limitation of that)
3/ the evaluation of driving performance and correlating with blood alcohol level
And
4/ a law ( uses the word law in different context) that makes 80 mg a bannable driving offence.

The four things are undoubtedly linked.
But definition 1/ and the other three parts of that are logically not the same thing at all.
Neither is ohms law the definition , that is often and wrongly given that name.



Failing to understand that difference is the discriminating factor on education.
-_- you do know college professors also call the equation Ohms law, right? I don't think most people bother to get this technical because it takes so much longer to say.

All the people I know with three and four sigma IQ, 160, 180 and plus understand it, to whom it is obvious, Few with IQ below 120 can even see the issue being made. Which was the point of the quiz?
I can't actually take you seriously if you think IQ tests are representative of how smart people are. They literally stem from a French guy testing 5 year old students to see if they were ready to move on to the next grade in school, and then someone taking the idea way too far. A lot of intelligent people refuse to take these tests (or disclose their IQ if they know it) because they know they are garbage. Stephen Hawking is the first example of that which comes to mind.

Bascially, all IQ tests really do is measure how good you are at taking IQ tests. For example, I had to take one as part of confirming that I was indeed autistic when applying for disability services in college, and the math section included a few problems in it that were on a level of math I had yet to take, calculus. Obviously, getting those questions wrong wasn't representative of how well I learned calculus, because I never had. One of the easiest A's I ever got in college, but that test would have never been able to tell that I would have such an easy time. It just happened to have material I wasn't familiar with at that time.

The opposite can also happen. Even as a kid, I had a weird habit of reading the dictionary. As a result, I scored ridiculously high on the segment of the IQ test related to word definitions, especially since I also learned word roots so I could infer word definitions based on the construction of the words. My personal weirdness, not ability to learn, was the reason.


As Christians it is important because it helps to define the context of science, and in doing so destroys pillars of new atheist arguments who build science into something it is not.
-_- science is a standardized tool by which to investigate the world around us. No one is claiming that it is perfect in its methodology, but it is about as good as one can get with anything that can't be represented as an equation only.

This thread was considering tests to show level of academic thinking,
And I think your idea of using a singular question is far too narrow. Heck, I don't think it is possible for any one test to accurately depict how intelligent a person is, nor do I think any could accurately portray how much schooling a person has experienced with much consistency.
 
Upvote 0

OldWiseGuy

Wake me when it's soup.
Site Supporter
Feb 4, 2006
46,773
10,979
Wisconsin
Visit site
✟1,005,302.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
Sure, I agree that both are important. It's why I wrote education and career. There's folks with PhDs who are underemployed. There's folks who never earned an education but built up a strong career. The point I was making is that tangible metrics are what matters, not online tests that claim to test your educational level but don't at all.

The quiz I answered was just silly. I got PhD but I think there's a lot of kids in middle school who could have gotten it too. It doesn't in any way show the level of someone's education, more like their ability to do well in a game of Trivial Pursuit. I'm not saying that having knowledge about what the quiz asks lacks value, on account of how of course it does, just that it surely doesn't indicate the level of education somebody has.

You nailed it with "Trivial Pursuit". :oldthumbsup:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Go Braves
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
It is just a basic quiz. .

Certainly does not measure higher education

I like some of the tests like google Staff entry.

Like... why is it preferable to have round manhole covers?

Because manholes are round?
 
  • Haha
Reactions: OldWiseGuy
Upvote 0

Mountainmike

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Nov 2, 2016
4,831
1,652
68
Northern uk
✟699,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
FYI

I don't go with IQ tests either as overall measure of a person. But they do measure analytical reasoning. I just point out that those with high IQ also have the type of enquiring minds to figure out the true context of science, and it is not the view that is commonly popularised.

This matters to us as Christians.
It is only the popular misconceived view that puts science into conflict with religion.
When you see it as just a model and process for investigation and development of that model, there is no philosophical conflict.

It explains what things are normally observed to do within limits of our observation, not what they are nor why they exist. It does not explain where gravity comes from or why it exists or why it shows the strength it does. It just measures something we model as gravity.

So Study the context of science and then you start questioning whether a law is part of the universe , or a part of an axiomatic model (eg that equation - more properly expressed as an identity) , or a statement as to how far the universe and model correspond (which is actually ohms law). And if nothing else re read this paragraph, so you understand those distinctions.

I assure you that equation is a definition of resistance. Ohms law dictates an envelope in which it is used, but many materials do not obey ohms law. Sadly the subtle but very real distinctions are lost on most people - even many professors - and when studying the philosophical context of science rather than the application, nit picking the definitions matters..

If you are capable, check out Einsteins comments on the cosmological constant and why he considered it his greatest blunder, indeed such as Hawkings concept of "model dependent reality". Indeed whether "displacement current" in maxwells equations is "real current" or a fudge like the cosmological constant. It is only when you go deep enough you start to see the true nature of the scientific model. The same model that says "the moon is not there until you look at it" quote Einstein.

There is a similar view held by philosophers. Take Bertrand Russels semi comical mind game played to demonstrate the uniformity of nature as seen by a chicken being fed every morning.

I thought some might be interested.
To quote our Lord "those who have ears to hear"


-_- you do know college professors also call the equation Ohms law, right? I don't think most people bother to get this technical because it takes so much longer to say.


I can't actually take you seriously if you think IQ tests are representative of how smart people are. They literally stem from a French guy testing 5 year old students to see if they were ready to move on to the next grade in school, and then someone taking the idea way too far. A lot of intelligent people refuse to take these tests (or disclose their IQ if they know it) because they know they are garbage. Stephen Hawking is the first example of that which comes to mind.

Bascially, all IQ tests really do is measure how good you are at taking IQ tests. For example, I had to take one as part of confirming that I was indeed autistic when applying for disability services in college, and the math section included a few problems in it that were on a level of math I had yet to take, calculus. Obviously, getting those questions wrong wasn't representative of how well I learned calculus, because I never had. One of the easiest A's I ever got in college, but that test would have never been able to tell that I would have such an easy time. It just happened to have material I wasn't familiar with at that time.

The opposite can also happen. Even as a kid, I had a weird habit of reading the dictionary. As a result, I scored ridiculously high on the segment of the IQ test related to word definitions, especially since I also learned word roots so I could infer word definitions based on the construction of the words. My personal weirdness, not ability to learn, was the reason.



-_- science is a standardized tool by which to investigate the world around us. No one is claiming that it is perfect in its methodology, but it is about as good as one can get with anything that can't be represented as an equation only.


And I think your idea of using a singular question is far too narrow. Heck, I don't think it is possible for any one test to accurately depict how intelligent a person is, nor do I think any could accurately portray how much schooling a person has experienced with much consistency.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

PsychoSarah

Chaotic Neutral
Jan 13, 2014
20,522
2,609
✟110,463.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
I don't go with IQ tests either as overall measure of a person. But they do measure analytical reasoning. I just point out that those with high IQ also have the type of enquiring minds to figure out the true context of science, and it is not the view that is commonly popularised.
Nope, since your overall IQ is an averaging of skills in math (subject to potential issues depending on schooling), spatial reasoning, short term memory, and analytical thinking, it won't give a good indication of how good you are in any of those areas unless you know the individual scores and the test was tailored to classes that you have taken. Plus, even the individual scores generally aren't in those specific areas. When I took an IQ test, it focused on reading, writing, math, memory, and spatial reasoning, and compiled that information between 4 different numbers representing language skills, memory, mathematics, and spatial reasoning. I couldn't tell you which, if any of those, measured my analytical thinking. It ended up being 119 in math, 133 in memory, 81 in spatial reasoning, and a ridiculous 155 in language skills. How could one expect the average between those of 122 to represent me overall when it's only close to my skills in math, as measured using multiple questions from calculus, a class I hadn't even taken yet?

Suffice to say, one's IQ score won't tell you anything about what a person is particularly good or bad at.

This matters to us as Christians.
It is only the popular misconceived view that puts science into conflict with religion.
When you see it as just a model and process for investigation and development of that model, there is no philosophical conflict.
-_- people don't usually take issue with the scientific method itself. They take issue with specific conclusions. Some people strawman science to suggest people are claiming it is infallible (obviously not true). Others go in the opposite direction, suggesting that scientific conclusions cannot conflict with their beliefs because the degree of certainty in science is less than how certain they feel in their beliefs. That is, since scientific conclusions always have the potential to be disproven, they just assume that any which disagree with them on a fundamental level eventually will be disproven.

Both are extremely dishonest outlooks. While no theory in science can claim to be 100% guaranteed to be an accurate depiction of reality, they can get so close that to consider any other conclusion to be likely would be silly without additional evidence.


It explains what things are normally observed to do within limits of our observation, not what they are nor why they exist. It does not explain where gravity comes from or why it exists or why it shows the strength it does. It just measures something we model as gravity.
Depends on what you mean by "why". Theories can explain why phenomena occur in the context of other relevant phenomena, but they don't grant purpose to anything. That's because nothing objectively has a purpose unless it is designed for it. So to assume purpose is to assume design as well, but science doesn't do that, so the entire idea of things like gravity having a purpose isn't accounted for in theories related to it.

So Study the context of science and then you start questioning whether a law is part of the universe , or a part of an axiomatic model (eg that equation - more properly expressed as an identity) , or a statement as to how far the universe and model correspond (which is actually ohms law). And if nothing else re read this paragraph, so you understand those distinctions.
-_- if it'll get you to cease ranting about it, I read it three times.

I assure you that equation is a definition of resistance. Ohms law dictates an envelope in which it is used, but many materials do not obey ohms law. Sadly the subtle but very real distinctions are lost on most people - even many professors - and when studying the philosophical context of science rather than the application, nit picking the definitions matters..
Science doesn't have a philosophy. They are two separate disciplines. If people could entirely separate the two, they would, because all philosophy does is serve to make scientific efforts less accurate. It is a part of the "human error" of experiments. It can result in very dissimilar interpretation of identical data, which should not happen.


If you are capable, check out Einsteins comments on the cosmological constant and why he considered it his greatest blunder,
-_- by the way, if you want me to read something, actually link it yourself next time. To summarize, it was a blunder because Eithstein's theory of general relativity functioned well for a universe that was expanding, so his "fix" of adding the cosmological constant just made it more inaccurate. That's the entire reason for his regret; he presumed the universe was static, noticed his theory didn't work in an optimal way with that model of the universe, the static model was disproven, and so he realized he had wasted his time.

Science is a field that seeks to better understand the world, and we are bound to make some errors along the way. As long as we continue to improve, so too will our utilization of the knowledge we have gained. Note how Einstein's mistake didn't last indefinitely. We learned more about the universe, and changed our thinking accordingly. He didn't double down, asserting that the universe must be static. Accepting the possibility of being wrong is a huge part of science, and while it is fine to regret mistakes, it is never okay to deny them.


I thought some might be interested.
You present information in a way that is great for fostering disinterest in simple, easy to explain topics.

But you didn't even try to explain the difference between Ohm's law and the equation often associated with it in a way that anyone could have understood. You did it so that only people with a scientific education could get it.

To better explain axiomatic model, etc., I'm going to write it out.

The equation grants meaning to the terms in the equation that matches up with reality, which are current (I), voltage(V), and resistance (R).

Ohm's law is a written out statement that this is how reality is observed to function in regards to these items, current, voltage, and resistance.

Here is Ohm's law word for word: "The potential difference (voltage) across an ideal conductor is proportional to the current through it. The constant of proportionality is called the "resistance", R."

How hard was it to say it that way? No wonder you think only "people with an IQ of 160" easily understand this stuff when you make no effort to communicate it better.


I am willing to bet that you are going to try to nitpick my simplified versions. Go ahead, show me how you could explain this stuff to a layman better than I could. Demonstrate that you could have been using simple terms the whole time and you chose not to.
 
Upvote 0

mama2one

Well-Known Member
Apr 8, 2018
9,161
9,858
U.S.A.
✟272,703.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And it is incumbent on all in high level education at least to understand what science is and what it is not, or indeed to understand the meaning of words like hypothesis

high school....ha ha

it's 3rd grade science
they had to write all the steps of scientific method in correct order for test
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Mountainmike

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Nov 2, 2016
4,831
1,652
68
Northern uk
✟699,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Now read ohms paper and discover ohms law.

" for a range of materials and operating points....."

And Read the distinction I asked you to make between the universe, axiomatic model, and experimental laws ohms law) that identify limits of correspondence.

IQ certainly does correlate with the ability to see the distinctions I made.

I can list dozens of materials that defy your definition of ohms law. An assumption repeated so often it gained the status of fact, whilst wrong. You are proving the problem, that journeymen taught science don't go far enough to see the problem, which is why I suggested the test. They use the equation in a rote way without ever questioning its true significance.

I Suggest as a business major, you don't contradict a postgrad professional physicist who specialised in mathematical physics, indeed has held senior positions in both electronic physics and astronomic physics.

Science is two things - a process and model - and it certainly does have associate philosophy, which should be taught in schools, but is not, so all understand the limitations, which they don't , and is part of why they can't see through Dawkins B/S.

Science doesn't make errors per se, because all it is is just a model.
It just makes the model worse or better at prediction or corresponding old data by refining it in different ways.

The critical distinction I am making is that the universe and the model are two completely different things, the distinction I made using ohms law example,

Enough.

Let's move on.


Nope, since your overall IQ is an averaging of skills in math (subject to potential issues depending on schooling), spatial reasoning, short term memory, and analytical thinking, it won't give a good indication of how good you are in any of those areas unless you know the individual scores and the test was tailored to classes that you have taken. Plus, even the individual scores generally aren't in those specific areas. When I took an IQ test, it focused on reading, writing, math, memory, and spatial reasoning, and compiled that information between 4 different numbers representing language skills, memory, mathematics, and spatial reasoning. I couldn't tell you which, if any of those, measured my analytical thinking. It ended up being 119 in math, 133 in memory, 81 in spatial reasoning, and a ridiculous 155 in language skills. How could one expect the average between those of 122 to represent me overall when it's only close to my skills in math, as measured using multiple questions from calculus, a class I hadn't even taken yet?

Suffice to say, one's IQ score won't tell you anything about what a person is particularly good or bad at.


-_- people don't usually take issue with the scientific method itself. They take issue with specific conclusions. Some people strawman science to suggest people are claiming it is infallible (obviously not true). Others go in the opposite direction, suggesting that scientific conclusions cannot conflict with their beliefs because the degree of certainty in science is less than how certain they feel in their beliefs. That is, since scientific conclusions always have the potential to be disproven, they just assume that any which disagree with them on a fundamental level eventually will be disproven.

Both are extremely dishonest outlooks. While no theory in science can claim to be 100% guaranteed to be an accurate depiction of reality, they can get so close that to consider any other conclusion to be likely would be silly without additional evidence.



Depends on what you mean by "why". Theories can explain why phenomena occur in the context of other relevant phenomena, but they don't grant purpose to anything. That's because nothing objectively has a purpose unless it is designed for it. So to assume purpose is to assume design as well, but science doesn't do that, so the entire idea of things like gravity having a purpose isn't accounted for in theories related to it.


-_- if it'll get you to cease ranting about it, I read it three times.


Science doesn't have a philosophy. They are two separate disciplines. If people could entirely separate the two, they would, because all philosophy does is serve to make scientific efforts less accurate. It is a part of the "human error" of experiments. It can result in very dissimilar interpretation of identical data, which should not happen.



-_- by the way, if you want me to read something, actually link it yourself next time. To summarize, it was a blunder because Eithstein's theory of general relativity functioned well for a universe that was expanding, so his "fix" of adding the cosmological constant just made it more inaccurate. That's the entire reason for his regret; he presumed the universe was static, noticed his theory didn't work in an optimal way with that model of the universe, the static model was disproven, and so he realized he had wasted his time.

Science is a field that seeks to better understand the world, and we are bound to make some errors along the way. As long as we continue to improve, so too will our utilization of the knowledge we have gained. Note how Einstein's mistake didn't last indefinitely. We learned more about the universe, and changed our thinking accordingly. He didn't double down, asserting that the universe must be static. Accepting the possibility of being wrong is a huge part of science, and while it is fine to regret mistakes, it is never okay to deny them.



You present information in a way that is great for fostering disinterest in simple, easy to explain topics.

But you didn't even try to explain the difference between Ohm's law and the equation often associated with it in a way that anyone could have understood. You did it so that only people with a scientific education could get it.

To better explain axiomatic model, etc., I'm going to write it out.

The equation grants meaning to the terms in the equation that matches up with reality, which are current (I), voltage(V), and resistance (R).

Ohm's law is a written out statement that this is how reality is observed to function in regards to these items, current, voltage, and resistance.

Here is Ohm's law word for word: "The potential difference (voltage) across an ideal conductor is proportional to the current through it. The constant of proportionality is called the "resistance", R."

How hard was it to say it that way? No wonder you think only "people with an IQ of 160" easily understand this stuff when you make no effort to communicate it better.


I am willing to bet that you are going to try to nitpick my simplified versions. Go ahead, show me how you could explain this stuff to a layman better than I could. Demonstrate that you could have been using simple terms the whole time and you chose not to.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Mountainmike

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Nov 2, 2016
4,831
1,652
68
Northern uk
✟699,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
high school....ha ha

it's 3rd grade science
they had to write all the steps of scientific method in correct order for test

Then tell me: why is it many call abiogenesis a theory , when it absolutely fails even as a valid hypothesis?

True status is pure conjecture. It is the name for a hole in a paradigm that life is a biochemical accident.

So it is not as simple as your answe seems to pretend , And these terms are even routinely abused in the scientific community!
Particularly by those who want to use science to defend new atheism.

I suggest you look up " hypothesis " and discover why that is so.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

PsychoSarah

Chaotic Neutral
Jan 13, 2014
20,522
2,609
✟110,463.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Then tell me: why is it many call abiogenesis a theory , when it absolutely fails even as a valid hypothesis?
Tell me, why a perfectly testable hypothesis fails to be a hypothesis? Ever heard of Jack Szostak? For a person that often claims to be well educated, you come across as a person with a great vocabulary and little else. Your words lack substance, these are the posts of a person that Google searches what things are and carefully plans out conversations around specific items so that they can appear smart.

The only people I see regularly confuse abiogenesis as a theory are the people that are against it.

True status is pure conjecture. It is the name for a hole in a paradigm that life is a biochemical accident.
No one that understands abiogenesis would call it an accident any more than water becoming ice when sufficiently cooled is an accident.
 
Upvote 0