Test thread for YEC'ism.

[lemmings]

Just playing Devi -ahem- God's advocate here: how do we know that these Sumerian genealogies aren't flawed and the Biblical ones are?

Without collaborating evidence, the two genealogies have the same degree of validity in my book.

 

[thaumaturgy]

Just in this thread only, I'm a YEC --- pwn me.

Step 1. YEC = "Young Earth Creationist"

Young Earth creationism is the religious belief that Heaven, Earth, and life on Earth were created by a direct act of God dating between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.(SOURCE)

Young earth = 6,000 to 10,000 year old earth.

Step 2. USGS :

The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years.(SOURCE)

Step 3.

• There are well over forty different radiometric dating methods, and scores of other methods such as tree rings and ice cores.
• All of the different dating methods agree--they agree a great majority of the time over millions of years of time. Some Christians make it sound like there is a lot of disagreement, but this is not the case. The disagreement in values needed to support the position of young-Earth proponents would require differences in age measured by orders of magnitude (e.g., factors of 10,000, 100,000, a million, or more). The differences actually found in the scientific literature are usually close to the margin of error, usually a few percent, not orders of magnitude!
• Vast amounts of data overwhelmingly favor an old Earth. Several hundred laboratories around the world are active in radiometric dating. Their results consistently agree with an old Earth. Over a thousand papers on radiometric dating were published in scientifically recognized journals in the last year, and hundreds of thousands of dates have been published in the last 50 years. Essentially all of these strongly favor an old Earth.
• Radioactive decay rates have been measured for over sixty years now for many of the decay clocks without any observed changes. And it has been close to a hundred years since the uranium-238 decay rate was first determined.
• Both long-range and short-range dating methods have been successfully verified by dating lavas of historically known ages over a range of several thousand years.
• The mathematics for determining the ages from the observations is relatively simple. (SOURCE)

Can I haz cheezburger now?

 

[AV1611VET]

Charles Lyell who wrote Principles of Geology in 1830 was buried in Westminster Abbey.

I don't need Charles Lyell. I just need what the Master Geologist had to say on the subject of Geology:

[bible]Luke 19:40[/bible]

Now if the stones cannot "cry out" to geologists the following message:

[bible]Luke 19:38[/bible]

Then insofar as Charles Lyell's geology disagrees with Jesus' geology --- Charles Lyell's geology can take a hike.

 

[uberd00b]

You're confusing the Bible and God, which is idolatry as I said in my first post.

God's creation itself is one step closer to God than the Bible (at least one step). God's creation takes precedence over the Bible surely?

 

[AV1611VET]

Carbon dating....

... can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Sumerian kings’ genealogies disproves the Biblical genealogies.

No --- the Sumerians came from Nimrod, who was Noah's great grandson.

 

[AV1611VET]

YOU might be a YEC, but why should I follow suit and believe your claims?

Actually, I'm not --- I'm just a YEC wannabe; but I don't think I can properly defend that position. Not yet, anyway.

Remember that I dismissed the Bible as a credible religious text when I gave up Catholicism, and never held it to be a valid scientific text.

I understand --- but I didn't --- and I'm the one taking a YEC stance in this thread.

Add to the fact that I'm KJVO, sola Scriptura, and antagonistic toward secular science in general, I'd say you guys have an uphill battle.

And before anyone faults me for it, keep in mind that you guys are also the very same thing with your "bibles."

 

[AV1611VET]

Can I haz cheezburger now?

No.

Build your fancy machines that count Carbon atoms (or whatever); but until you can build one that can do this:

[bible]2 Kings 6:17[/bible]

--- radiometric dating can take a hike.

 

[GrayCat]

I see's a pattern here.

You just discard everything you don't care/are afraid to acknowledge as being in contrast with your YEC beliefs.

Someone should compile a list of everything you've said can take a hike. LOL.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're confusing the Bible and God, which is idolatry as I said in my first post.

God, Who cannot lie, wrote the Bible in the first place.

And He gave us, in writing, what He expects us to believe and not believe; and is, in fact, going to judge us from It.

To reinterpret It in a manner that caters to scientific paradigms that outright contradict It, is in fact, a form of science worship.

God's creation itself is one step closer to God than the Bible (at least one step). God's creation takes precedence over the Bible surely?

God's creation is, in fact, hostile (but obedient) to God and His Word.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I don't need Charles Lyell. I just need what the Master Geologist had to say on the subject of Geology:

[bible]Luke 19:40[/bible]

Now if the stones cannot "cry out" to geologists the following message:

[bible]Luke 19:38[/bible]

Then insofar as Charles Lyell's geology disagrees with Jesus' geology --- Charles Lyell's geology can take a hike.

So, you'll only discuss geology with talking rocks?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, you'll only discuss geology with talking rocks?

I'll only discuss YEC with "talking rocks" ---

[bible]1 Corinthians 10:4[/bible]

 

[Nathan Poe]

God, Who cannot lie, wrote the Bible in the first place.

God cannot lie because AV1611VET the YEC orders Him not to?

And He gave us, in writing, what He expects us to believe and not believe; and is, in fact, going to judge us from It.

So, anyone who doesn't believe the magic book as literal fact is going to hell -- which is why all learning can take a hike, right?

To reinterpret It in a manner that caters to scientific paradigms that outright contradict It, is in fact, a form of science worship.

In fact, or in opinion?

Because it seems that anything that comes between you and the book you idolize can take a hike.

God's creation is, in fact, hostile (but obedient) to God and His Word.

"God against man. Man against God. Man against nature. Nature against man. Nature against God. God against nature. Very funny religion!" -- D. T. Suzuki

 

[Nathan Poe]

No --- the Sumerians came from Nimrod, who was Noah's great grandson.

Both Noah and Nimrod can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

I see's a pattern here.

You just discard everything you don't care/are afraid to acknowledge as being in contrast with your YEC beliefs.

Someone should compile a list of everything you've said can take a hike. LOL.

Actually, GrayCat, I'm not even a YEC, and to be honest, I don't feel that I'm in my right element. In fact, I could be doing a disservice to true YECs here, and giving them a bad name.

(I wish one would speak up.)

It's time to get back to Embedded Age.

 

[GrayCat]

"God against man. Man against God. Man against nature. Nature against man. Nature against God. God against nature. Very funny religion!" -- D. T. Suzuki

That's a neat quote. I assume it is referring to the Christian religion?


In my Religion, we view all as being entwined with eachother.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Actually, I'm not --- I'm just a YEC wannabe; but I don't think I can properly defend that position. Not yet, anyway.

Why would you ever want to?

Add to the fact that I'm KJVO, sola Scriptura, and antagonistic toward secular science in general, I'd say you guys have an uphill battle.

Butting heads against a brink wall is often "An uphill battle" -- and never worth the effort.

Really AV, if this is just an excuse to be even more intractible and obtuse, why gild the lily?

And before anyone faults me for it, keep in mind that you guys are also the very same thing with your "bibles."

You're not even going to pretend to have a point here, are you? Just blurt out a random "I know you are but what am I?" without bothering to make sense.

I must say, AV, you've got the YEC patter down pat.

 

[GrayCat]

Actually, GrayCat, I'm not even a YEC, and to be honest, I don't feel that I'm in my right element. In fact, I could be doing a disservice to true YECs here, and giving them a bad name.

(I wish one would speak up.)

It's time to get back to Embedded Age.

Yeah i was wondering why you weren't discussing embedded age theory like you usually do.

How come you started this Thread then if you're not YEC?

 

[AV1611VET]

Both Noah and Nimrod can take a hike.

I knew it would be a matter of time before that got emulated.

 

[lemmings]

No --- the Sumerians came from Nimrod, who was Noah's great grandson.

Well, if the Sumerians where descendants of Noah, then the Flood was not 4,400 years ago.