Terrorism

[Tyndale]

It seems that when people you dislike kill colaborators and traitors, its an act of terrorism.

But when forces of your own government walk into a football stadium and open fire into the crowd killing men, women, and children who probably had nothing to do with ANY anti-British activity.....you make exscuses. Shell shock? Our modern military deals with the same thing and they can seem to resist firing thier guns into crowds of men, women, and children.

Hypocracy much?

You obviously didn't read the rest of my post. Again I shouldn't be surprised because you are so used to editing the sum of the parts and using snippets that are suitable for Irish propaganda.

When one looks at a situation, one has to look at it holistically.

 

[Tyndale]

How would you respond to a large group of the Muslim population of Britan to demand thier own country in Britan?

It never was theirs. And Ireland never belonged to the Irish either.

 

[Steezie]

You obviously didn't read the rest of my post. Again I shouldn't be surprised because you are so used to editing the sum of the parts and using snippets that are suitable for Irish propaganda.

When one looks at a situation, one has to look at it holistically.

Holistically?

So the death, destruction, and opression wrought on the Irish at the hands of the English, if taken in a holistic point of view, is all for the best?

 

[Tyndale]

Holistically?

So the death, destruction, and opression wrought on the Irish at the hands of the English, if taken in a holistic point of view, is all for the best?

Please Listen Steezie and listen hard. Us Ulster-Scots have suffered at the hands of the English too, we just don't make it our goal in life to spit in their faces over what happened hundreds of years ago. We have moved on and so should you Irish, after all yous have you own country in Eire, but just don't think your getting N./Ireland as well

Us Ulster-Scot Presbyterians were often viewed by the Anglican landowners in Ireland as more of a threat than the local Irish Catholic population.

The Test Act of 1704 was particularly hard on Presbyterians. Marriages conducted by Presbyterian ministers were invalid and they were unable to worship in churches or hold public office. In addition tariffs were imposed on the north of Ireland linen industry to stop the Ulster-Scots from competing on an equal footing with the linen industry in England.

In this climate it is no surprise that over a quarter of the north of Ireland's Ulster-Scots Presbyterian population opted for a new life in the new world (America)

 

[Pogue]

He starved himself to death because he wasn't treated as a political prisoner and allowed to wear his own clothes. I would like to see what you Welsh people would do If a modern terrorist would ask the same. Would yous support him and give him political immunity and give-in to his every desires? would you go half way around the world and blame it all on the Welsh Government?......

Still no cite? I'm getting the overwhelming impression that you ignore everything you can't defend, and start fresh arguments, which isn't the best way to debate. In this case, you're not responding to what I've been asking. We weren't debating about the rights or wrongs of hunger strike- you made a poor comparison with suicide bombing, then I said why that comparison was poor.
Also, there's no such thing as the Welsh government. We're answerable to the British government.

Pogue, please don't try and tell me it's got nothing to do with the Palestinians. Read the history of the hunger strikes and you will find that this is the period when they made allegiances with Palestine in tactics, weapons and financial support.

Read this carefully. The tactic of hunger strike is not like the tactic of suicide bombing, because suicide bombings harm other people. Trying to equate the two is wrong.

You should think before you reply dear young one.

Oh dear. If I was in a worse mood I'd protest that you're patronising me, but as it is I just find it really funny. You should also read my posts before you reply. Because in the last few responses you've made, you've ignored massive bits of what I was saying. Remember when you thought I was calling you dim? When in fact I wasn't? And then you ignored the rest of my post?

So, lets hear your response to a united Ireland with a British Ulster-scots population that doesn't want to be united. Let's hear it

Please read back in the thread- I don't want to repeat it again. Look for keywords including: civil disobedience, India, and passive resistence.

 

[Tyndale]

Still no cite? I'm getting the overwhelming impression that you ignore everything you can't defend, and start fresh arguments, which isn't the best way to debate.

where are you going to fit us Ulster-Scots in your all-Ireland?

In this case, you're not responding to what I've been asking. We weren't debating about the rights or wrongs of hunger strike- you made a poor comparison with suicide bombing, then I said why that comparison was poor. Also, there's no such thing as the Welsh government. We're answerable to the British government.

So what's the big deal about devolution

Read this carefully. The tactic of hunger strike is not like the tactic of suicide bombing, because suicide bombings harm other people. Trying to equate the two is wrong.

I've read it carefully and unfortunately I'm hearing a student preach to me what I know to be total boulderdash

Oh dear. If I was in a worse mood I'd protest that you're patronising me, but as it is I just find it really funny. You should also read my posts before you reply. Because in the last few responses you've made, you've ignored massive bits of what I was saying. Remember when you thought I was calling you dim? When in fact I wasn't? And then you ignored the rest of my post?

Aye, it's really funny that people are murdered,

Please read back in the thread- I don't want to repeat it again. Look for keywords including: civil disobedience, India, and passive resistence.

What's so special about india? Remember there's two different people in N.Ireland, there's the Catholic Irish and the British Ulster-Scots.......

 

[Maxwell511]

Occupying what? The vast majority of people in the island agreed to unity with Britian. Many, many, many Irish men held top responsibilities within the British Government and welcomed their partnership. You seen to be painting everything with a Republican paint brush and the real reality was far from your interpretation. When the IRA finally overthrew their own Royal Irish security they were pelted with rotting vegetables in Dublin by their own people. The IRA had to use intimidation for decades after their illegal coup in order to keep control and create a false historical record of their coup.

The results of the 1918 elections in Ireland were as follows;

Nationalist parties: 75% of the seats.
Unionists parties and one independent: 25% of the seats.

Why would an island where the "vast majority" supported the union give a very large majority by any standard to parties that opposed the union?

 

[Maxwell511]

You and your family are certainly in the minority.

Depends really on which organization you are talking about. I hate and despise the Provos however I respect and honour the men that fought in the War of Independence against the English. My Great Grandfather fought in that war. This is pretty much the common attitude and experience that exists in the Republic.

 

[Pogue]

where are you going to fit us Ulster-Scots in your all-Ireland?

The question could just as easily be reversed- how do you keep those who don't want to be in Britain in Britain? By force and oppression?

So what's the big deal about devolution

Devolution doesn't mean that Wales got a separate government. We have an Assembly, but it's far from being a government. If we had got one it might have been more like separatism.

I've read it carefully and unfortunately I'm hearing a student preach to me what I know to be total boulderdash

Ah right. As long as you know in your heart that what I'm saying is wrong, that's all that matters. Don't try and defend your points or anything.

Aye, it's really funny that people are murdered,

No, but it was really funny that you called me 'dear young one', especially given that you seem to think I'm a terrorist sympathiser.

What's so special about india? Remember there's two different people in N.Ireland, there's the Catholic Irish and the British Ulster-Scots.......

Yes...I sort of knew that there were different people in Northern Ireland...and in India, there are many different groups of people, notably the Hindus and the Muslims.

I'm still getting the impression that whatever I write, the letters of what I've written rearrange themselves in your head, to read 'Pogue supports terrorism-let's ignore her. Oh, and she's 18, so she knows nothing'.
So- any cite for anything you've posted?