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What do you make of point ten in the second set? Theologetic Table of Evidence

(Interesting that you are not responding to the points your own pastor has made on this topic in the link you told us to go to -- as I highlighted in that post)

At your link - It says that the the Orthodox Jews (so that is non-Christian Jews, the enemies of Christ's doctrine) - claimed Christ made Sunday the primary day of worship. (of course it does not say when they made that claim or why)

1. The Romans claimed the Christians were engaged in literal canabalism in the Lord's Supper.
2. Paul says the enemies of the Christians were claiming that the Christians were dedicated to doing evil
Gal 3: 8 And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just.
Sooo many things may be had if as that link points out "non-biblical sources" are the rule.

But what about the Bible? What were the non-Christian Jews saying about the Christians according to the actual Bible?

Acts 23:
Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day.” 2 The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?” ...

6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!” 7 As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all. 9 And there occurred a great uproar; and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to argue heatedly, saying, “We find nothing wrong with this man; suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

The truth is that if Matthew 11 could be re-imagined as Christ saying "everyone start breaking the Sabbath and work on the seventh day, but worship on week-day-1"
Matt 11:
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Then the NT gospel accounts would be filled with Sabbath breaking charges against Christ where they were claiming "He no longer keeps the Sabbath but worships on week-day-1 instead".

Not a single complaint against Christ or any of the NT evangelists of that form.
 
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What do you make of point ten in the second set? Theologetic Table of Evidence

(Interesting that you are not responding to the points your own pastor has made on this topic in the link you told us to go to -- as I highlighted in that post)

At your link - It says that the the Orthodox Jews (so that is non-Christian Jews, the enemies of Christ's doctrine) - claimed Christ made Sunday the primary day of worship. (of course it does not say when they made that claim or why)

1. The Romans claimed the Christians were engaged in literal canabalism in the Lord's Supper.
2. Paul says the enemies of the Christians were claiming that the Christians were dedicated to doing evil
Gal 3: 8 And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just.
Sooo many things may be had if as that link points out "non-biblical sources" are the rule.

But what about the Bible? What were the non-Christian Jews saying about the Christians according to the actual Bible?

Acts 23:
Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, “Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day.” 2 The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, “God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?” ...

6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!” 7 As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all. 9 And there occurred a great uproar; and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to argue heatedly, saying, “We find nothing wrong with this man; suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

The truth is that if Matthew 11 could be re-imagined as Christ saying "everyone start breaking the Sabbath and work on the seventh day, but worship on week-day-1"
Matt 11:
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Then the NT gospel accounts would be filled with Sabbath breaking charges against Christ where they were claiming "He no longer keeps the Sabbath but worships on week-day-1 instead".

Not a single complaint against Christ or any of the NT evangelists of that form.

It says "The Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ..." so you are strawmanning.

#1. I am not among those who claim that Bible facts on what the non-Christian Jews were saying about Christian doctrine -- "is a straw man".

#2. The unique "Orthodox Jew" term did not even come into existence until the 18th century - never mentioned in the Bible.

"The earliest known mentioning of the term Orthodox Jews was made in the Berlinische Monatsschrift in 1795. The word Orthodox was borrowed from the general German Enlightenment discourse, and used not to denote a specific religious group, but rather those Jews who opposed Enlightenment. During the early and mid-19th century, with the advent of the progressive movements among German Jews and especially early Reform Judaism, the title Orthodox became the epithet of the traditionalists who espoused conservative positions on the issues raised by modernization. They themselves often disliked the alien, Christian name, preferring titles like "Torah-true" (gesetztreu), and often declared they used it only for the sake of convenience. The Orthodox leader Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch referred to "the conviction commonly designated as Orthodox Judaism"; in 1882, when Rabbi Azriel Hildesheimer became convinced that the public understood that his philosophy and Liberal Judaism were radically different, he removed the word Orthodox from the name of his Hildesheimer Rabbinical Seminary. By the 1920s, the term became common and accepted even in Eastern Europe, and remains as such.[1]
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So the undocumented claim that Jews in the 18th or 19th century (unclear since no data at all on that point given in your link) may have thought that Christians were worshiping on Sunday instead of the 7th day and accused Christ of it without any text of scripture backing them up... no big surprise, as it turns out.

As nice as it is to have a suggestion about what Orthodox Jews in the 18th or 19th century may have been supposing... I prefer what the Bible says Jewish leadership were actually saying as we see in the Acts 23 quote here.
 
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My friend, this is not the Commandments of God, these are the ceremonial laws, feasts, Sabbaths (plural, not the Sabbath)

Here is a good explanation of it.
Doesn't Colossians 2:14 wipe out the weekly Sabbath? | Sabbath Truth

Let’s first take a look at the apostle Paul's words in Colossians 2:14–17: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.”

When some read about the sabbath days that were shadows and that passed away at the cross, they think that Paul was referring to the weekly Sabbath, the fourth of the Ten Commandments. Is this accurate? It’s important to get this right, because our interpretation of the apostle’s actual meaning can lead us into deeper truth or into deeper error.


Two Sabbaths


First, there is nothing in the Ten Commandment law about food, drink, festivals, new moons, or sabbath days (plural). All these were actually separate laws that God gave for the physical and spiritual health of His Old Testament people; these were called ceremonial laws.


Second, Paul wrote plainly that he was speaking of “sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come,” and not of the weekly Sabbath, which is a memorial of something that happened in the past, at the creation. The contrast between a shadow and a memorial is quite clear. Indeed, the fourth commandment does not tell us to keep the seventh day as a type of something to come. It says: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ... For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it” (Exodus 20:8, 11).

Moreover, to show that he had something other than the weekly Sabbath in mind, Paul distinctly mentioned “sabbaths,” plural,” which are a shadow of things to come.” (The word “sabbath” in the Greek can be singular or plural according to Strong’s and Greek lexicons.)


Festivals and Shadows


The King James uses the word “holyday,” and some will contend that it refers to the weekly Sabbath, while the expression “sabbath days” refers to yearly sabbaths. The American Standard Version uses “feast day” instead of “holyday,” and this likely a clearer translation. The word translated “holyday” is from the Greek heorte, and in John 5:1, this same word is used to designate one of the yearly festivals of the Jews: “After this there was a feast [heorte] of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.” This is one of the holy days that Paul spoke of as having been nailed to the cross.


The “shadows” Paul mentions pointed to Jesus as a Savior from sin and were observed with that in mind. But the weekly Sabbath was made for man before sin entered into the world, before man would need atonement. The shadows pointing forward to His death as an atonement for sin certainly were not instituted until after sin. Therefore, since the weekly Sabbath was instituted before sin, just as was the marriage institution, it was not a shadow of Christ’s death as a Savior from sin; and His death did not end the Sabbath day any more than it brought marriage to an end. Both the Sabbath and marriage came to us in a perfect world.

Paul’s language shows he was referencing the shadowy ceremonies that pointed forward to and ended at the cross. Notice again, carefully, his words in Colossians 2:14: “Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.” Paul mentions that these laws were “against us” and “contrary” to us. Would it be contrary to Christians to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring parents, murder, theft, adultery, lying, and coveting—the sins rebuked by the Ten Commandments? Thus, the apostle must have been talking of another law—a law that enjoined food offerings, drink offerings, the observance of festivals, new moons, and yearly sabbaths.


Why Are These Laws Contrary to Us?


Why would the observance of these ceremonies after the death of Christ be contrary to the Christian faith? The yearly sabbath of the Passover involved killing a lamb that represented Jesus, the Lamb of God. The apostle Paul taught directly, “Indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us" (1 Corinthians 5:7). Thus, to keep offering a sacrificial lamb after His death would be to imply that Jesus had not accomplished atonement. Such an observance would be contrary to the teachings of Christianity.


Many other shadowy requirements of the ceremonial law pointed to the death of Jesus on the cross, as well. All these festivals, food and drink offerings, and sabbaths that were nailed to the cross, Paul declared to be “a shadow of things to come.” Then he adds, "But the substance is of Christ." That is, the substance that cast these shadows was Christ’s body on the cross.

Think of it this way—late in the afternoon when a tall tree casts its shadow eastward, one can begin at the farthest end of the shadow and follow it until he or she gets to the tree that casts the shadow, and there the shadow ceases to be. Likewise, we can go back to the time when “through one man [Adam] sin entered the world, and death through sin,” and there a merciful God promised to send a Redeemer (Genesis 3:15), a Substitute, to die in man’s place. To keep man continually reminded of this fact, and to supply him with a means of expressing his faith in the coming sacrifice, God instituted these ceremonies. All of these were included in the law that was not written on tables of stone.

Follow these shadowy ceremonies all the way from Eden to the time of Moses, and then through the wilderness journey and on for hundreds of years after the settlement in Canaan, and at last to Calvary—and there they cease. So it would be "against us" and "contrary" to our faith to observe these ceremonies after Jesus' death. Not so with the other law. It is just as necessary to refrain from idolatry, using God’s name in vain, dishonoring the Sabbath, murder, adultery, and theft after the cross as before. Indeed, it was the violation of these principles that caused the death of Christ. Could they have been set aside or changed to accommodate the carnal mind, Jesus need not have died.

Now with these truths before us, let us again read Colossians 2:14–17 and see how plainly Paul revealed that he did not mean that the weekly seventh-day Sabbath had been nailed to the cross: "Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. … So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

Colossians 2:14 does not wipe out the rest but defines it. a day we can share our faith as a fast from doing the labor to feed and shelter our own self and family. the purpose of the fast.

I agree the ceremonial commandments that we are to guard or keep with all our new born again hearts and souls are used as shadow.
We are not to judge one another in respect to ceremonies, a showing of the gospel to the world.

Some make it a self edifying sign to themselves as some sort of "sign gift". I did it. . it proves I have the Spirt of Christ. The Holy Spirt of God.

All of the ceremonies were used as parables that spoke of Christs sufferings beforehand that dwelt in the old testemtment saints as well as the new.

In respect to the one new ceremonial law the head covering and supper together as one. .

Most ceremonial laws were fulfilled like the renting of the veil to represent the circummsion of the flesh. The first born of God Jesus.

The rest ceremonies which still points ahead to the eternal rest when we receive our new bodies and the ceremony of water baptism applied when a believer has a desire to become a member of the kingdom of priest after the new order remain .

It would seem there are three that remain to include the new head or hair covering with the blood of the grapes called wine it looks ahead to the consummation of the wedding of the bride of Christ, the church.

Again the promise of circummsion represented in parable it looked ahead the sufferings of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed The grave were opened to those who had received the end of their new born again faith entered into heavenly city the new Jerusalem Zion. prepared as the bride of Christ the church. ..they looked ahead through parables we look back to the same demonstration.. of the garden of Gethsemane and or with cross.

The gospel as it is written below.

1 Peter 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you. Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
 
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The NT is clear that the ten commands have been replaced by the two love commands, which fulfills ALL the law, without a command to keep any days.


Hi chad kincham,

God's laws have always been about love. God is love and everything He commands is based on love.


That’s because Jesus is our rest, and the ceremonial day of rest ended.


Jesus asks us to rest from our works just as He did from His (Hebrews 4:1-13). "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God." Do you consider yourself a part of "the people of God"? If so, then the Sabbath is for you.


It’s not a hard concept, yet shadow keepers continue to act clueless about the fact that love does no harm to your neighbor, thus love fulfills all the law.


It's certainly not a hard concept, but love is not left nebulous and undefined. If one were to merely leave it to humans to determine what is "love" then I can assure you it would not correlate with God's intention for His creation. Jesus says, "If you love me, keep my commandments." John says, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). At what point did God's loving commandments become burdensome? Do you really believe that Jesus Christ, who is the same "yesterday, today and forever," was at any point commanding His creatures to do things that were not based in love?


The ten commands were an external law kept out of fear of punishment.


Speaking of love: "For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child" (Hebrews 12:6). Do you love your earthly father? The author of Hebrews says that, "we respected our earthly fathers who disciplined us, shouldn’t we submit even more to the discipline of the Father of our spirits, and live forever?"

I find it odd that you disapprove of our heavenly Father's punishment. Shouldn't you submit to His discipline "and live forever"?

But let's keep going. Hebrews 12:10-12 says, "For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God’s discipline is always good for us, so that we might share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way."


You didn’t murder your neighbor because you love him, but because you would be stoned to death under the same law that Moses received.


I'm sure punishment is a deterrent, but for God's people it's "always good for us, so that we might share in His holiness."

I hope you're beginning to see that God's punishment is motivated by His love.

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 
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Hi chad kincham,

God's laws have always been about love. God is love and everything He commands is based on love.

Jesus asks us to rest from our works just as He did from His (Hebrews 4:1-13). "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God." Do you consider yourself a part of "the people of God"? If so, then the Sabbath is for you.

It's certainly not a hard concept, but love is not left nebulous and undefined. If one were to merely leave it to humans to determine what is "love" then I can assure you it would not correlate with God's intention for His creation. Jesus says, "If you love me, keep my commandments." John says, "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:3). At what point did God's loving commandments become burdensome? Do you really believe that Jesus Christ, who is the same "yesterday, today and forever," was at any point commanding His creatures to do things that were not based in love?

Speaking of love: "For the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child" (Hebrews 12:6). Do you love your earthly father? The author of Hebrews says that, "we respected our earthly fathers who disciplined us, shouldn’t we submit even more to the discipline of the Father of our spirits, and live forever?"

I find it odd that you disapprove of our heavenly Father's punishment. Shouldn't you submit to His discipline "and live forever"?

But let's keep going. Hebrews 12:10-12 says, "For our earthly fathers disciplined us for a few years, doing the best they knew how. But God’s discipline is always good for us, so that we might share in his holiness. No discipline is enjoyable while it is happening—it’s painful! But afterward there will be a peaceful harvest of right living for those who are trained in this way."

I'm sure punishment is a deterrent, but for God's people it's "always good for us, so that we might share in His holiness."

I hope you're beginning to see that God's punishment is motivated by His love.

I pray this helps. But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Out of curiosity, how many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey? Hint, one is about starting fires on the Sabbath.
 
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Out of curiosity, how many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey? Hint, one is about starting fires on the Sabbath.
You are confusing ceremonial laws and ordinances given to Moses with the commandments of God which He wrote with His own finger. The commandments of God are 10 found in Exodus 20.

Here's an example:

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

Is this applicable today, no it was meant for those times.

But are these applicable today?

lying
killing
taking the Lords name in vain
worshipping false idols
coveting
not keeping His seventh day Sabbath Holy
etc.


Instead of going on preconceived notions and ideas because the commandments of God might not fit in with todays lifestyle, really ask God and pray on it.

God gives the Holy Spirit to help keep the commandments of God, but you have to want to in your heart.

John 14:15-18
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

God Bless
 
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You are confusing ceremonial laws and ordinances given to Moses with the commandments of God which He wrote with His own finger. The commandments of God are 10 found in Exodus 20.

Here's an example:

1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

Is this applicable today, no it was meant for those times.

But are these applicable today?

lying
killing
taking the Lords name in vain
worshipping false idols
coveting
not keeping His seventh day Sabbath Holy
etc.


Instead of going on preconceived notions and ideas because the commandments of God might not fit in with todays lifestyle, really ask God and pray on it.

God gives the Holy Spirit to help keep the commandments of God, but you have to want to in your heart.

John 14:15-18
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

God Bless

Got it. So sodomy, incest and beastality are okey dokey because none are even hinted at in the Ten Commandmnets.
 
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Out of curiosity, how many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey? Hint, one is about starting fires on the Sabbath.

Hi bbbbbbb,

Sabbath literally means "rest". Whenever I encounter this particular argument it almost always involves legalism. The premise goes like this: If you drive a car then you are "starting fires on the Sabbath." Those individuals that embrace this legalistic premise are equating the turning of a key with work, thus they illustrate that they have no real understanding of the substance and purpose of the Sabbath. Turning a key is no more considered work than turning a door knob. Or, from a Mosaic context, putting one's clothes on in the morning. "Starting fires" in the time of Moses was actual work. There were no matches or lighters. The fuel for the fire had to be collected, chopped, propped, kicked, turned and burned.

Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." If you love Him, then your love is revealed by how you respond to His expressed will. Out of curiosity, "how many of God's commandments do you" believe you can "ignore and refuse to obey" and still be considered to be revealing your love to God?

John wrote: "But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." Jesus's example to us was to observe the Sabbath. If you claim "to live in Him" why would you not wish to take every seventh day off to "remember" Him as your Creator and to rest from your own "works, just as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:10).

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 
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Actually, it does not help in the least. It is the same song you SDA folks sing constantly. All you need to do to appease God is attend your church on Saturdays and keep out of mischief. i will ask you once again my question, hoping that this time you will actually answer it.

How many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey?
 
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Actually, it does not help in the least. It is the same song you SDA folks sing constantly. All you need to do to appease God is attend your church on Saturdays and keep out of mischief. i will ask you once again my question, hoping that this time you will actually answer it.

How many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey?
Sorry you truly do not understand SDA at all. My suggestion since you seem so curious go here Search Media by Topic | Amazing Facts. This should answer all your questions about Sabbath keeping and SDA.

God Bless
 
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It's not an official SDA website, the website is an independent but the pastor is SDA and speaks about it frequently.

Why should one take his opinion as being authoritative in matters regarding official doctrine of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church? At least the Roman Catholic Church has its Catechism which defines its dogmas and doctrines. Do the Seventh-Day Adventists have any current statement concerning their beliefs?
 
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It's not an official SDA website, the website is an independent but the pastor is SDA and speaks about it frequently.
The bio of the pastor says nothing about him being SDA
 
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The bio of the pastor says nothing about him being SDA
You could email him and ask. It's not my website, but he is my local pastor and like I stated he frequently speaks about being an SDA, its not a secret.
 
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Actually, it does not help in the least. It is the same song you SDA folks sing constantly. All you need to do to appease God is attend your church on Saturdays and keep out of mischief. i will ask you once again my question, hoping that this time you will actually answer it. [Honestly, what response would you consider as "actually" answering your question? If you feel I didn't answer to your satisfaction try rephrasing your question.]

How many of God's commandments do you ignore and refuse to obey?

Hi bbbbbbb,

This seems rather disingenuous. I just answered your question and you did nothing to answer mine. Here it is again: How many of God's commandments do you believe you can "ignore and refuse to obey" and still be considered to be revealing your love to God?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark
 
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Why don't they identify as Seventh Day Adventists?

Maybe because they want the reader to evaluate what they say based on the Bible alone not on what denomination agrees with them.

When some people hear a doctrinal statement they immediately ask "Does the Bible say that is true?"

Other people just ask "who else agrees with it?"

A lot of people in Christ's day chose one of those two paths when they heard Him speak.
 
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Hi bbbbbbb,

This seems rather disingenuous. I just answered your question and you did nothing to answer mine. Here it is again: How many of God's commandments do you believe you can "ignore and refuse to obey" and still be considered to be revealing your love to God?

God bless!

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

To answer your question, I believe that Jesus Christ has fulfilled all of the Law completely, for all time for all who believe in Him, and that we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ alone. Thus, none of the commandments of God can be obeyed ever by any sinful person, including Christians. To think otherwise would deny the person and the work of Jesus Christ.

Whether one chooses to be a vegetarian or to eat meat in love for God is a matter of personal conviction, so to hold another person guilty for violating the dietary law of the Old Testament (which is quite specific, containing many commandments given by God Himself to His people, Israel and not to Gentiles) is simply wrong.
 
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