Ten Commandments in Courtrooms?

[knuckle50]

And all the cases in which the ACLU supports Christians whose Civil Rights are being infringed upon?

For example?

 

[tweek821]

And all the cases in which the ACLU supports Christians whose Civil Rights are being infringed upon?

I would be surprised if the ACLU genuinely supported any type of Christian cause.

 

[knuckle50]

Funny, because the ACLU is actually fighting against any sort of Christian institution receiving tax exemptions.

I just said that I don't think any of them deserve exemptions, if you reread it...

Obviously, you have not been to my city and seen what has happened to the schools. Since busing, after-school programs and even some nicer classes had to be cut to pay for the busing.

The high school my mother graduated from has gone down hill to being nothing more than an alternative school for pregnant teens and ex-convict high schoolers...all due to busing. How do I know this, because it began crumbling to nothing the year busing started.

Also, as a personal side note...before high school, I was not anywhere near "racist" and had many black friends. Today, I still have many black friends but going to a school with busing has made me more prejudice. That's my personal experience with busing and I'm sure there are many out there who have experienced the same thing.

Where do you live, exactly? Inner city schools were ALREADY decrepit and far behind other schools. Since busing started, the disparities have narrowed quite a bit and education achievement is far higher in massachusetts.

 

[tweek821]

Where do you live, exactly? Inner city schools were ALREADY decrepit and far behind other schools. Since busing started, the disparities have narrowed quite a bit and education achievement is far higher in massachusetts.

I assure you...no inner city school. Actually the city in which I live has merged within the last four years so when busing started the area where the high schools are today used to be considered the suburbs (but not rural farms or anything.) They were just outside the city limits. Nowadays, it's all one big city under one government.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

If by "average people's rights" you mean the right to have the government teach your kids and everyone else's that christianity is right, to teach them to pray, and to bring them up in a christian environment, then no you don't have that right. Thats endorsement of a religion. Schools educate you, period. If you mean the right to restrict non christians to rules specific to christianity, then no you shouldn't have that either. government exists to protect he people, no to impose the will of the majority on the minority when the minority is not infringing on our rights. If communists and nazis want to assemble they have that constitutional right. They don't have a right to have schools teach "communists and nazis are good and we're going to teach you how to be one." Its the same thing.

 

[HRE]

ACLU Calls on Congress To Oppose Government-Funded Discrimination, House Defeats Key Civil Rights Protections

They are opposing an ammendment that...

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica]...would have prevented federally funded religious organizations from using religious litmus tests in employment decisions.[/font][/font]

ACLU of New Jersey Successfully Defends Right of Religious Expression by Jurors

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]NEWARK, NJ-- The State Supreme Court ruled today that a prosecutor violated the New Jersey Constitution when he removed two jurors from a jury pool, one for wearing Muslim religious clothing and another for having engaged in missionary activity.[/font]

ACLU of Nebraska Defends Church Facing Eviction by the City of Lincoln

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica]LINCOLN --The American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska today announced that it would defend a Presbyterian church from a forced eviction by the city.[/font][/font]

Michigan Court Punishes Catholic Man for Refusing Conversion to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica]DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today asked the state Supreme Court to hear the case of a Catholic man who was criminally punished for not completing a Pentecostal drug rehabilitation program, which prevented him from practicing his own religious faith. His request to be transferred to another program that would allow him to practice his own faith was denied and he was sentenced to six months in jail and boot camp.[/font][/font]

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica]RICHMOND, VA -- Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, Falmouth Waterside Park Manager Brian Robinson has agreed not to prohibit baptisms in Stafford County, the ACLU announced today. [/font][/font]

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica]DETROIT – The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student’s entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.[/font][/font]

Breakthrough Religious Freedom Bill Hailed By Religious and Civil Rights Groups


And that is without getting to actual legal documents about bills passed in courts across the nation to ensure the civil liberties of all people, not just Christians or Muslims or Evil Baby-Eating Atheists.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Thanks for sharing some truth about the ACLU. My VERY conservative and very politically astute teacher told my high school american government class that 99% of what the ACLU does the average american should have no problem with, its just that 1% we always hear about and tend to disagree with. This coming from a very conservative man, but one who was veyr knowledgeable about government and politics.

 

[Alarum]

I would be surprised if the ACLU genuinely supported any type of Christian cause.

http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=15680&c=159

Surprised?

 

[knuckle50]

Thanks for sharing some truth about the ACLU. My VERY conservative and very politically astute teacher told my high school american government class that 99% of what the ACLU does the average american should have no problem with, its just that 1% we always hear about and tend to disagree with. This coming from a very conservative man, but one who was veyr knowledgeable about government and politics.

Exactly. I don't agree with everything they do, but if I was Mike Dukakis I would've slammed Bush I for trying to demonize him for being a "card-carrying ACLU member". They are a group that protects our rights.

 

[OhhJim]

I'm sure that when the ACLU comes down on the side of Christians, churches everywhere announce it from the pulpit. Why is everyone laughing?


Seriously, if you were to check the ACLU website regularly, you'd find they support Christians, too. It's just that conservatives don't care about those cases. They've decided the ACLU is evil, and that's all there is to it. Don't confuse me with facts.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

When the republican spin machine decides something, facts don't matter. They will take no matter what happens and say it is bad in some way and repeat it until it is accepted without needing any evidence to support it.

 

[tweek821]

When the republican spin machine decides something, facts don't matter. They will take no matter what happens and say it is bad in some way and repeat it until it is accepted without needing any evidence to support it.

The irony of that statement that you can take out the word "republican" and replace it was "democrat" and it works just as well. Those without sin, cast the first stone.

 

[tweek821]

If you mean the right to restrict non christians to rules specific to christianity, then no you shouldn't have that either. government exists to protect he people, no to impose the will of the majority on the minority when the minority is not infringing on our rights. If communists and nazis want to assemble they have that constitutional right. They don't have a right to have schools teach "communists and nazis are good and we're going to teach you how to be one." Its the same thing.

Yeah, good one...let's compare Christians to communists and nazis and say they're the same thing. riiiiiiiight...

 

[tweek821]

Let's see...where to start.

The ACLU outlaws:
--The public singing of "Silent Night" and other Christmas carols.
--Displays of nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols on public property.
--Chaplains in prisons and the military.
--Prayer in classrooms, locker rooms, sports arenas, legislative assemblies, and at graduation exercises.
--Census questions regarding an individual's religious affiliation.
--Accreditation for science departments at Bible-believing Christian universities.
--Public funding for Christian schools.
--Voluntary Bible reading in public schools ... even during free time or after classes.
--Tax-exempt status for churches (though the ACLU favors this status for certain occult groups - and themselves)

Yep, sounds like they certainly love the Christian faith.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

Yeah, good one...let's compare Christians to communists and nazis and say they're the same thing. riiiiiiiight...

We probably shouldn't pick apart statements that weren't designed to offend.

It was a contrast, not a comparison.
No wonder people roll their eyes when I say I'm a Christian.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

Let's see...where to start.

The ACLU outlaws:
--The public singing of "Silent Night" and other Christmas carols.
--Displays of nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols on public property.
--Chaplains in prisons and the military.
--Prayer in classrooms, locker rooms, sports arenas, legislative assemblies, and at graduation exercises.
--Census questions regarding an individual's religious affiliation.
--Accreditation for science departments at Bible-believing Christian universities.
--Public funding for Christian schools.
--Voluntary Bible reading in public schools ... even during free time or after classes.
--Tax-exempt status for churches (though the ACLU favors this status for certain occult groups - and themselves)

Yep, sounds like they certainly love the Christian faith.

The ACLU doesn't write laws so they cannot outlaw anything.

They are against the things you mention but that's it.
I'm against many of the things they stand for but that doesn't mean I can stop them from doing anything just as they can't stop me from singing Silent Night where ever I please.

You're targeting the wrong organization. I think the one you want is called the United States Judicial System. That would be a good place to start.

 

[Milla]

Obviously, you have not been to my city and seen what has happened to the schools. Since busing, after-school programs and even some nicer classes had to be cut to pay for the busing.

The high school my mother graduated from has gone down hill to being nothing more than an alternative school for pregnant teens and ex-convict high schoolers...all due to busing. How do I know this, because it began crumbling to nothing the year busing started.

Also, as a personal side note...before high school, I was not anywhere near "racist" and had many black friends. Today, I still have many black friends but going to a school with busing has made me more prejudice. That's my personal experience with busing and I'm sure there are many out there who have experienced the same thing.

Aww, you poor thing. Now your school can't be a bubble of imaginary land amdst the reality of the rest of the US public school system! It's too bad that you'll have to now live like the rest live!

Actually, it is too bad, and I hope that instead of making you predjudiced against the people being tossed around by the system, it wakes you up the reality of the situation.

 

[Milla]

Let's see...where to start.

The ACLU outlaws:
--The public singing of "Silent Night" and other Christmas carols.
--Displays of nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols on public property.
--Chaplains in prisons and the military.
--Prayer in classrooms, locker rooms, sports arenas, legislative assemblies, and at graduation exercises.
--Census questions regarding an individual's religious affiliation.
--Accreditation for science departments at Bible-believing Christian universities.
--Public funding for Christian schools.
--Voluntary Bible reading in public schools ... even during free time or after classes.
--Tax-exempt status for churches (though the ACLU favors this status for certain occult groups - and themselves)

Yep, sounds like they certainly love the Christian faith.

Cite cases. Until you do so, it's just empty rhetoric, and can hardly be discussed in any intelligent manner. You will see some examples of how to cite cases on the previous page, where Alarum and HRE did so.

 

[Mϋzikdϋde]

Let me try to quote the right person this time:

The high school my mother graduated from has gone down hill to being nothing more than an alternative school for pregnant teens and ex-convict high schoolers...all due to busing. How do I know this, because it began crumbling to nothing the year busing started.

My son attends an alternative high school. He is neither pregnant nor is he an ex convict. You're skill at stereotyping is well developed you must have worked very hard. I'll assume you've never actually attended an alternative high school given your self righteous attitude toward them.

 

[tweek821]

Let me try to quote the right person this time:


My son attends an alternative high school. He is neither pregnant nor is he an ex convict. You're skill at stereotyping is well developed you must have worked very hard. I'll assume you've never actually attended an alternative high school given your self righteous attitude toward them.

Nope, never had to because I've done well enough to stay out of those types of schools. And stereotyping has to come from some truth, otherwise why would it exist? It's not exactly something to be proud of to be sent to alternative schools in my area...i don't know about yours.