Ten comandments; Intersting

[Alarum]

Before I was a Christian, I was upset with the ordered removal of the 10 comandments from the local Courthouse. Why pay to have this old monument removed? Goverment doesn't have enough money to pay there bills and now were're paying people to remove something that has been there for 50years.
wait, 70years. (Forgot, how old I was.)(to me 50years ago seems like the 30-40's)

Just a waste. I am glad we have money to throw away.

That's the policy currently, in general. Roy Moore, for instance, only ran into trouble when he INSTALLED a monument, and a rather large one at that.

 

[k]

I mean, it makes sense that Muslims and Jews and Buddhists etc will eventually make contributions to this society....

Many many many many people from those groups mentioned, and several more, have already made vital contributions to this society.

 

[Grizzly]

If our laws are based on the 10 commandments, then how come so many commandments would be declared unconstitutional? I can only see two fulling passing consitutional muster (no murder, no stealing), one with exceptions (bearing false witness) and the rest completely unconsititutional. If our laws are based on the 10c's, then why is it that the majority of them would be IN VIOLATION of our consitution? It seems like our laws may have been designed in part to protect us FROM the 10C's...

 

[Doctrine1st]

If our laws are based on the 10 commandments, then how come so many commandments would be declared unconstitutional? I can only see two fulling passing consitutional muster (no murder, no stealing), one with exceptions (bearing false witness) and the rest completely unconsititutional. If our laws are based on the 10c's, then why is it that the majority of them would be IN VIOLATION of our consitution? It seems like our laws may have been designed in part to protect us FROM the 10C's...

That's a good question.



Why are people so adamant about protecting a series of "laws" that fly in the very face of our laws and the constitution?

 

[k]

If our laws are based on the 10 commandments, then how come so many commandments would be declared unconstitutional? I can only see two fulling passing consitutional muster (no murder, no stealing), one with exceptions (bearing false witness) and the rest completely unconsititutional. If our laws are based on the 10c's, then why is it that the majority of them would be IN VIOLATION of our consitution? It seems like our laws may have been designed in part to protect us FROM the 10C's...

From one Christian's perspective, the answer is obvious; our laws are not based on the TC. That is simply rhetoric to assuage the masses.

 

[Corey]

I believe the Seperation of Church and State is a one way protection.

"Congress(Government) shall make no law...."
People can bring religion into Government but Government can't bring Religion
into government.

Actually, the Ten comandments are one of the oldest documents of law.
Their may be debate as to how much they influenced our laws but they are one of the oldest laws still around.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion nor preventing the free exercise thereof."

How on God's green earth do you take that to mean that there can be any entangle at all between religion and government?

 

[ilovechrist2005]

i say we are based on the tc

 

[Grizzly]

i say we are based on the tc

In what way? At most, only three of the 10 commandments could actually be passed into law in the US. The rest would be declared either unconstitutional or would be unenforcible. There is also no mention of democracy in the Bible. Same goes for trials by jury, or even judges for that matter. I just don't see how our laws are based on the 10C's

 

[Doctrine1st]

In what way? At most, only three of the 10 commandments could actually be passed into law in the US. The rest would be declared either unconstitutional or would be unenforcible. There is also no mention of democracy in the Bible. Same goes for trials by jury, or even judges for that matter. I just don't see how our laws are based on the 10C's

Make that ZERO for the two years and five months I have been here that when asked, this question is never addressed.

 

[Grizzly]

Make that ZERO for the two years and five months I have been here that when asked, this question is never addressed.

It's the power of saying something over and over.

US law is based on the 10C's
US law is based on the 10C's
US law is based on the 10C's
US law is based on the 10C's


See, I'm starting to believe it!

But when you look at it, these statements easily yield to logical pressure. It's just people trying to rewrite history.

 

[k]

Here are some reasons why the US laws cannot be based on the TC.

1. Obvious, very obvious

2. The adjective graven has 2 meanings:
Meaning #1: cut into a desired shape
Synonyms: sculpted, sculptured


Meaning #2: cut or impressed into a surface
Synonyms: engraved, etched, incised, inscribed

We have plenty of those around...Lincoln memorial comes to mind.

3. Yeah, like that never happens!!! LOL--no, not laughing that people say it, 'cause it hurts my spirit, but only pointing out how often it is said.

4. How many church goers go out to eat after service? Where are the laws that say no one has to work on Sunday? (The NFL will be might upset!!)

5. that's a gimmee

6. Well, there would be a lot more Native Americans, African Americans, and Japanese, and Iraqis, and Iranians, and etc, etc, etc, (This one is a WHAMMER!!!) The US has violated this one ALL over the place.

7. When was the last time someone got prosecuted for adultery????

8. LOL LOL LOL--oh, this one is almost as good as #6. Guess the US owes a lot of retribution to a LOT of people.

9. Sure, it's a law...

10. LOL LOL LOL LOL--that has become the entire basis of our GNP, GDP, GOP, and and well, the world is a candy store!!

I think I see some serious problems with claiming the US is based on the TC. But, then again, who the heck am I but another Jesus Freak scrub trying to paddle his clutsy self through the wonders of the ages...

 

[jameseb]

When was the last time someone got prosecuted for adultery????

Given that you were in the US Army I thought you would have known, but adultery is a punishable offense under the UCMJ, Article 134 ("bringing discredit upon the armed forces"), and people to this very day are prosecuted for it.

Hmm, interesting....

 

[Grizzly]

Um, you were in the US Army, correct? Maybe I'm mistaken.... However, adultery is a punishable offense under the UCMJ, Article 134 ("bringing discredit upon the armed forces"), and people to this very day are prosecuted for it.

Hmm, interesting....

any comment on the unconstitutionality of the majority of the 10C's in relation to the belief that US law was founded on the 10c's?

 

[jameseb]

any comment on the unconstitutionality of the majority of the 10C's in relation to the belief that US law was founded on the 10c's?

Yes - there's nothing unconstitutional about it. Allowing the 10C's to be placed in a courthouse, or any government building for that matter, isn't a "law that respects the establishment of a religion." Let me reiterate - placing the 10C's in public buildings isn't a "law" of any nature. In addition, which religion would the 10C's be "respecting" - Judaism or Christianity? Orthodox or reformed Judaism? Protestant or Catholic Christianity?

 

[praying]

Are there any countries whose laws are based on the ten commandments?

 

[jameseb]

Are there any countries whose laws are based ont eh ten commandments?

I think an interesting question to ask is if there's anything wrong with a nation basing its laws on the Ten Commandments.

 

[Grizzly]

Yes - there's nothing unconstitutional about it.

That's not what I asked. I wondered if you had an opinion about the idea of US Law being based on the 10C's.

Allowing the 10C's to be placed in a courthouse, or any government building for that matter, isn't a "law that respects the establishment of a religion." Let me reiterate - placing the 10C's in public buildings isn't a "law" of any nature. In addition, which religion would the 10C's be "respecting" - Judaism or Christianity? Orthodox or reformed Judaism? Protestant or Catholic Christianity?

Actually, you bring up an interesting point. There are three different versions of the 10 commandments (Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish). Would posting one version be an endorsement of that particular religion over others?

I think that Ex-Judge Roy Moore tried to get around this issue on his monument in Alabama. His monument to the 10 commandments had 11 commandments

 

[kermit]

Yes - there's nothing unconstitutional about it. Allowing the 10C's to be placed in a courthouse, or any government building for that matter, isn't a "law that respects the establishment of a religion." Let me reiterate - placing the 10C's in public buildings isn't a "law" of any nature. In addition, which religion would the 10C's be "respecting" - Judaism or Christianity? Orthodox or reformed Judaism? Protestant or Catholic Christianity?

James, here's something to chew on. Where does the money come from to place a momument on public property? From the public, but who decides? Some legislating body, but how? By passing a bugeting LAW!

Any time public money is used legislation is required. If a buget law is used to promote one religion over another then that law is respecting an establishment of religion.

You really have to think deeper than "a momument isn't a law..."

 

[Grizzly]

I think an interesting question to ask is if there's anything wrong with a nation basiing its laws on the Ten Commandments.

Human laws regulate behavior, not thoughts. Many of the 10C's are completely unenforcable as laws. How do you regulate coveting? How do you make sure that there are no other gods beside God? How can you enforce "honoring" your parents?

 

[jameseb]

James, here's something to chew on. Where does the money come from to place a momument on public property?

Ah, I'm glad you brought that up as the very highly publicized case that was recently in the news about this subject involved a monument that was not funded with public tax money. In fact, most cases I'm familiar with involved such privately donated monuments.

Regardless, we don't argue and debate over public tax money being spent to decorate public buildings with art and other decor.

You really have to think deeper than "a momument isn't a law..."

Actually, I don't. The Constitution is quite clear - anything more "deeply" read into it is unconstitutional... and I'm sure the US Supreme Court will adjudicate this issue on the same grounds.