Television

[nicolezoeydafney]

defend south park all you want. you may think they teach " moral lessons ", but the bottom line is that the basic plots are crude, and theres a lot of gratutous sex/ violence refrences"

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

what is the basic plot of these episodes you are quoting????
nothing moral at all.

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

so why compare, or defend this show as being moral if the shows plot is not moral to begin with?

 

[TheMissus]

There's a lot of sex and violence in the Bible too. What's your point?

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

you did not answer any of my questions.
you make a statement about how moral south park is, then i ask you to back up your point, and you throw out a question that does not have an point to the conversation we are talking about.
yes the bible does have sex, and violence but that has again no relavance to the topic we are talking about.
we are talking about a tv show, not the bible. if you want to compare the two the bibles stories that include sex and violence have moral lessons, south park does not.

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

Is somebody/anbody going to take a stand against what's on television these days. I know we have all kinds of "groups" out there fighting hard but it seems like tv gets more out of control every year.

I'm glad the FCC is not backing down from CBS for that SuperBowl (hear they're still appealing).....

I'm not advocating censorship or anything but heck......

I know that I can turn the television off....but why should I have to?

Anyway, just venting...does anybody else feel this way?

Jack

getting back to the original topic of this thread, yes i agree with you.
i dont understand the stuff they allow to be on the air today.

 

[TuxThePenguin]

we are talking about a tv show, not the bible. if you want to compare the two the bibles stories that include sex and violence have moral lessons, south park does not.

TheMissus gave examples of moral messages contained within South Park here.http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=26052764&postcount=80

Please show how none of these are moral lessons and you will have (started to) prove your point. Otherwise it is just bluster.

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

that is not what i asked. i asked her to explain the shows plot.
i have proved my point. i dont understand how people can say this show is moral.
for example the quote with the sexual harrasment panda. the whole episode is based apon the children lying about there teachers harrasing them. yeah thats real moral.

 

[TuxThePenguin]

that is not what i asked. i asked her to explain the shows plot.
i have proved my point. i dont understand how people can say this show is moral.
for example the quote with the sexual harrasment panda. the whole episode is based apon the children lying about there teachers harrasing them. yeah thats real moral.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl1.htm

what is moral about the killing of children.
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]2 Kings 2:23-24

or babies
[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Psalms 137:8-9

The 'plot' of the bible seems pretty bad. So which is more important the 'plot' or the 'message'?


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[nicolezoeydafney]

again we are not talking about the bible, we are talking about a tv show.

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

this is a television thread, that is talking about tv, and the fcc. not the bible

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

you have done your research, point well taken.
all i am trying to say is that if you want to teach about morals.. south park is not the way to go.

 

[nicolezoeydafney]

?????

 

[TuxThePenguin]

you have done your research, point well taken.
all i am trying to say is that if you want to teach about morals.. south park is not the way to go.

I would respectfully disagree.
Whilst I would never suggest showing South Park to minors Adults can be stimulated to think about issues whilst being entertained and amused.
Some episodes are just great allegories. Like the episode "The return of the Lord of the Rings to the two towers"
Other episodes discuss recent issues like the "Best Friends Forever" Episode or the "Catoon Wars" episodes.

Whilst I understand that they are not to everybodys taste, to stop them being shown in an evening when it is reasonable to expect that a child would not have unfettered access to the TV is censorship and is directly against the words of the OP.

 

[Skaloop]

the garbage on tv now a days!!!!!! south park, adult swim..... just to name a few. if the fcc banned howard stern, how are these tv shows any different. they all talk about the same stuff... sex, sex, and more sex.

They're allowed to talk about sex. The FCC regulations for radio and broadcast television are different (ie - more strict) than for cable television, where South Park et al. reside. They are allowed to be indecent, according to the FCC:

The FCC has defined broadcast indecency as “language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities.” Indecent programming contains patently offensive sexual or excretory material that does not rise to the level of obscenity.

The courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of the day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience.

Now, for the FCC to be able to pull these shows, they need to be found to be obscene, and must meet three standards to qualify as such:


- An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
- The material must depict or describe, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable law; and
- The material, taken as a whole, must lack serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Now, not matter how you might regard South Park, it certainly is not excessively prurient, it does not depict specifically defined offensive sexual conduct, and it does not lack literary, artistic, or political value. So it does not meet the standards required for obscenity, and as such the FCC has no grounds on which to intercede.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

i dont understand the stuff they allow to be on the air today.

That's sad for you, but your inability to understand it is not sufficient reason to not show it.

 

[TheInstant]

for example the quote with the sexual harrasment panda. the whole episode is based apon the children lying about there teachers harrasing them. yeah thats real moral.

Of course that part's not moral. The episode depicts the children doing something immoral and then shows that it has bad consequences. How can that not be considered a moral lesson?

 

[Spherical Time]

Of course that part's not moral. The episode depicts the children doing something immoral and then shows that it has bad consequences. How can that not be considered a moral lesson?

Agreed. I also think that comparisons with the Bible are valid. Afterall, both the Bible and the South Park are just different forms of media.

 

[TheMissus]

Not only that, but the sex and violence described in the Bible was pretty racy for its time. It pushed the envelop just as South Park pushes it now.

 

[53Isaiah]

If you would consider for a moment than television is just a window of that which is happening around us, you get a good indicator into the state of the American culture and how deprived we’ve became since the 50’s. Americans want a Godless sociate, and we're getting exactly what we want !?!? Geez we've come a long way from that pond scum....