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Teens Say Video Game Inspired Them in Deadly Highway Shooting

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Teens Say Video Game Inspired Them in Deadly Highway Shooting
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Sept. 5 — The family of a slain motorist has filed suit against the maker of a video game that two teens claim inspired them to shoot at passing cars on a Tennessee highway.
Grand Theft Auto, a video game that allows players to "fire" on people and cars in realistic, shoot-'em-up fashion, is a cash cow that propelled manufacturer Take Two Interactive to the top of the video game industry. For the middle and high school students who play the game for hours on end, it's a means of escaping the mundaneness of teenage life. But for two stepbrothers, 16-year-old William and 14-year-old Joshua Buckner, that escape turned deadly earlier this summer. They told police they were emulating Grand Theft Auto on the night of June 25 when they took shotguns to Interstate 40, near their Newport, Tenn., home, and opened fire on vehicles. A Bullet Through the Window The boys told police they did not mean to hit people, but the results were catastrophic. "I have eight bullet fragments all in my body," said 19-year-old Kimberly Bede, of Moneta, Va., who was hit in the pelvis as she rode in the passenger seat of her boyfriend's car. "The bullet entered my hip and I'm still receiving medical treatment." Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old registered nurse from Knoxville, Tenn., traveling in a separate car, was killed. "We were driving down the interstate, back from a great trip," said Hamel's cousin, Denise Deneau. "My cousin said, 'Look at those flowers,' and then all of sudden through my window came a bullet. The heat was so much I could feel it. On my lap, I saw broken glass and lots of blood. I thought I had been shot." But it was Hamel who had been shot. He had a bullet hole in his temple, and it was gushing blood as the car careened out of control at 70 mph, going against traffic, she said. The car finally came to a stop after hitting a guard rail. Family members say the nature of Hamel's death is especially ironic because he had volunteered to work at a Tennessee facility for wayward teens shortly before the shooting. "He was trying to help these kinds of boys. He always thought he could turn these kinds of kids around. And now look," Deneau said. Teens Plead Guilty, Lawsuit Filed The teenage shooters, who each pleaded guilty to reckless homicide, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment, will be held at a state juvenile detention center until they turn 19. The law in Tennessee allows them to remain in the custody of the state Department of Children's Services until they are 19, but no longer. In written statements, they expressed remorse for their actions. "I will always hate myself for what I did. I am so sorry," wrote William Buckner. "I didn't want to hurt anyone," wrote Joshua Buckner. "This will be with me the rest of my life." The Hamel family filed suit Thursday against Take Two Interactive, the video game maker, said attorney Jack Thompson. "The industry needs to cough up money so victims and their families can be compensated for their pain," Thompson said. "The shareholders need to know what their games are doing to kids and their families. They need to stop pushing adult rated products to kids. These products are deadly." Take-Two Interactive declined to comment to Good Morning America about the incident. Are Parents the Gatekeepers? It's not the first time the game Grand Theft Auto has been linked to bouts of real-life violence. A gang of teenagers in California, charged with plotting carjackings and murder, say their actions were inspired by playing Grand Theft Auto, morning, noon, and night. In Oakland, Calif. a group of young people who called themselves the "Nut Cases" told police they played violent video games before going out and robbing and killing random victims on the street. They said their favorite was Grand Theft Auto. The five men and one woman are facing charges in dozens of robberies and five killings that took place in 2002 and early 2003. The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, pointed to research showing that youth crime has gone down even as video games have proliferated. The games are rated for violence, and ultimately, parents make the decisions about what games they bring into their homes, the association said in a statement. "Parents are present at and involved in the purchase or rental of games 83 percent of the time, according to a September 2000 Federal Trade Commission report," the association said. Family members of those killed in video game-related shooting sprees say it is time to take Grand Theft Auto off the market, before more lives are lost. "A part of me died that night that he died. It just died," said Rosemary Hamel, Aaron's mother. "You just don't know a mother's loss. We were so close, and now he's gone."





Horrible crime, tragic loss of human life, but blame a video game?
 

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Inspired said:
Deadly Inspiration?
Teens Say Video Game Inspired Them in Deadly Highway Shooting

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Horrible crime, tragic loss of human life, but blame a video game?

The title of this article should be "Teen criminals, afraid to be tried as adults and get the chair, blame video game as set-up for an insanity/diminished capacity defense."

But I guess that was too wordy. :sigh:
 
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XangelX said:
That is completely pathetic. It is just a stupid game.

Actually, it's a brilliant game.

Now what's next?

Can I blame my 25 speeding tickets on all the Pole Position I played as a child?

Will obese people sue Pac-Man for compulsive overeating?

Can I rip out somebody's heart and say Mortal Kombat made me do it?
 
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Nathan Poe said:
Actually, it's a brilliant game.


Will obese people sue Pac-Man for compulsive overeating?
When I was your age we had a yellow circle that ate fruit and dots, and he was chased by ghosts, then there was this other game with a monkey that threw barrels, lol

Can I rip out somebody's heart and say Mortal Kombat made me do it?
It's not only that the teenagers are claiming this, but that others are in agreement and trying to ban the game.
 
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Few things are as relaxing as fragging somebody with a rocket launcher, running over infantry with a tank, or [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]***pwning some loud mouth. If video games really motivated me to do anything I'd have died when I was 6 from eating magic mushrooms. Perhaps the only harm videogames have caused is to make me sit in a dark room for countless hours. On the plus side I met my best friend in an online game =D

Grand theft auto really is a good series. Yeah it's a bit violent and graphic but the gameplay is solid. These kids are just morons looking to lighten their penalty. Either that or they really are the rare kind of idiots who are responsible for the warning signs on plastic bags that tell you not to put them on your head.
 
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The video games only give them the method they use. If they were the kind of kids that could kill people for nothing but the thrill of it, they would have done it anyway using some other method. THe real problem is the directionless lives they lead.
When kids are basically orphans with credit cards they will find any number of ways to do stupid and sometimes deadly things.


When it became apparent that my son was a daredevil kind of kid, fearless and adventuresome, I made sure it got channeled into the safest venue available. River rafting, mountain climbing, hiking, snorkeling and so on as he grew up. He needed physical challenges and I provided them. He now owns two businesses and is quite successful.

What if I left to him to hang out all day with other people who were bored and "hanging out" all day? I think he'd have taken that energy and put it somewhere else less positive.

Not the game, the lack of parental supervision. In my opinion.

Lillith
 
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Lillithspeak said:
The video games only give them the method they use. If they were the kind of kids that could kill people for nothing but the thrill of it, they would have done it anyway using some other method. THe real problem is the directionless lives they lead.
When kids are basically orphans with credit cards they will find any number of ways to do stupid and sometimes deadly things.


When it became apparent that my son was a daredevil kind of kid, fearless and adventuresome, I made sure it got channeled into the safest venue available. River rafting, mountain climbing, hiking, snorkeling and so on as he grew up. He needed physical challenges and I provided them. He now owns two businesses and is quite successful.

What if I left to him to hang out all day with other people who were bored and "hanging out" all day? I think he'd have taken that energy and put it somewhere else less positive.

Not the game, the lack of parental supervision. In my opinion.

Lillith

While that may be an inspiration story for other parents with the time and money to steer their children in that direction, there are many parents that can't afford that venue. Should we blame their parenting skills?

What a parent can do is try to instruct his or her child as what society expects and doesn't expect, and make sure that what they do should be based on an equillibrium on what society wants and what they want. The thing is, if you try to take away too much freedom from your child because you have no other way of controlling their behavior, they become rebellious. If you, however, give them some freedom, that leaves some opportunities to your child to do stupid things that may or may not be harmful.

What parents must realize, however, that they do NOT mold their child in any which way they want; parents must realize that their children are individuals that need to be nurtured and reasoned with. There is little possible way to control your child's destination, you can help and being very influential, but don't expect that it'll always be a success. Society today thinks that the parents can mold their children to be whatever they want, and when the child becomes unsuccessful or successful, they say it was their upbringing, but their environment and genetics had a lot to do with it as well.

What people should know is that video games do not drive people to do horrible things. A person that got inspiration from a video game already had that violent attitude in them to begin with. You can't blame all of what happened on the parents nor the video games. Remember, kids are individuals and do make choices that can be independant from what their parents want, expect, and teach.
 
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EvolvEarth said:
While that may be an inspiration story for other parents with the time and money to steer their children in that direction, there are many parents that can't afford that venue. Should we blame their parenting skills?

What a parent can do is try to instruct his or her child as what society expects and doesn't expect, and make sure that what they do should be based on an equillibrium on what society wants and what they want. The thing is, if you try to take away too much freedom from your child because you have no other way of controlling their behavior, they become rebellious. If you, however, give them some freedom, that leaves some opportunities to your child to do stupid things that may or may not be harmful.

What parents must realize, however, that they do NOT mold their child in any which way they want; parents must realize that their children are individuals that need to be nurtured and reasoned with. There is little possible way to control your child's destination, you can help and being very influential, but don't expect that it'll always be a success. Society today thinks that the parents can mold their children to be whatever they want, and when the child becomes unsuccessful or successful, they say it was their upbringing, but their environment and genetics had a lot to do with it as well.

What people should know is that video games do not drive people to do horrible things. A person that got inspiration from a video game already had that violent attitude in them to begin with. You can't blame all of what happened on the parents nor the video games. Remember, kids are individuals and do make choices that can be independant from what their parents want, expect, and teach.
And I guess you have studies and papers to support this?

Where I agree that parents should not dominate their children, children need to be brought up. It is difficult at the best of times, but I would notice morbid tendencies in my children.

Also teenagers seldom are fully developed humans to be "reasoned" with, they do need molding and discipline most of the time. Sure the one who committed an act is responsible, even a child. But unless we forfeit responsibility as parents for as long as one is a parent the parent is responsible as well.

Children do rebel. This is normal and is to be expected, however that what is taught at a young age stays and reemergence when the time has come. Anyone dealing with teenagers knows that at times it seems whatever was taught is out the window. Surprisingly, after the rebellion is over and reality sinks in it is nice to see the efforts brought fruits years after.

Also, I strongly disagree to let the young make choices in behavior. If a teenager shows violent behavior that behavior needs to be addressed ASAP! This requires a lot of time and effort. Most grown ups struggle just to survive and simply do not have that time. I think that is the main problem, not some fancy environment/genetic explanation. Remember, if you know a little psychology you also know that those studies are not the result of a controlled study but is based on statistical analysis i.e. not provable.
 
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Paul12 said:
I play violent video games when I feel like going out and shooting people, but instead I do it virtually. If they take away my games, then who knows what will happen?

Precisely! We should be applauding hyperviolent games like GTA; they seem to be the only thing keeping your sociopathic tendancies in check. :cool:

Do the games create psychopaths, or are psychopaths attracted to the games?
Chicken or the egg...
 
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the_malevolent_milk_man said:
Few things are as relaxing as fragging somebody with a rocket launcher, running over infantry with a tank, or [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]***pwning some loud mouth. If video games really motivated me to do anything I'd have died when I was 6 from eating magic mushrooms. Perhaps the only harm videogames have caused is to make me sit in a dark room for countless hours. On the plus side I met my best friend in an online game =D

I'm an Unreal Tournament fan myself. I love the Redeemer weapon: A one-shot nuclear missle launcher described in the game guide as "a portable apocalypse." :cool:
Is there any joy more beautiful than picking up a nuke and using it to turn a room full of opponents into a stain on the floor?
I think not! ^_^
 
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I agree with all above. I'm a pacifist who would have moral qualms hurting a lizard. Yet I love to play violent video games, especiall Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. It's simply a stunning game. It hasn't affected me at all, except for spending too much time hypnotized :)
 
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