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Teach the Gentiles, to Obey All Commands

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by HARK!, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:51 AM.

  1. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Teach the Gentiles to obey all of the Torah.

    This is our calling from Yahshua himself, right before he ascended.


    Matthew 28:19-20

    Complete Jewish Bible


    19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”
     
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  2. TreWalker

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    That's not what Matthew 28:19-20 says though.

    Where did Yeshua command his talmidim to obey all of Torah? Wouldn't that be your assumption of the text, since you proof text doesn't literally state what you claim?
     
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  3. HARK!

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    He says literally to teach the Talmidim, to obey everything that he had commanded those who he gave the command to.

    Let's look at some of what he commanded them.


    (CLV) Lk 16:17
    Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

    (CLV) Mt 24:35
    Heaven and earth shall be passing by, yet My words may by no means be passing by.

    Matthew 5:48
    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    (CLV) Hb 10:28
    Anyone repudiating Moses' LAW is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
    (CLV) Hb 10:29
    Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?

    (CLV) Mt 5:20
    For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

    (CLV) Mt 7:21
    "Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
    (CLV) Mt 7:22
    Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

    (CLV) Mt 7:23
    And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'
     
  4. TreWalker

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    You havn't posted specific commands though. You are still reading into the text what you want to hear.
    This is your claim. Book. Chapter, and verse please. From the Pashat.
     
  5. HARK!

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    (CLV) Lk 16:17
    Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

    Which ones did he say we could transgress?

    Matthew 28:19-20

    Complete Jewish Bible

    19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”
     
  6. tulc

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    Wouldn't this be what He commanded:
    tulc(is just wondering) :wave:
     
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  8. HARK!

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    Yahshua recited the Shema as thew greatest commandment of the law.

    (CLV) DT 6:4
    4 Hear, Israel! Yahweh is our Elohim; Yahweh the only One. 5 So you will love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your intensity. 6 These words which I am instructing you today will come to be in your heart.

    YHWH calls us to love him with everything we have.

    (CLV) 1Jn 5:3
    For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
     
  9. pinacled

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    With Christ in the heart of a son or daughter they will Love The Most High.
    Being in Christ the same individual will love their neighbor.

    Blessings Always
     
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  10. tulc

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    ...isn't the one from 1 John more than covered by Jesus who expanded it to include loving our neighbor as ourselves, which wasn't in the Deuteronomy Scripture? :scratch:
    tulc(again, couldn't those be the commands they were to teach the gentiles?)
     
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    Harassment of the whole constitutes the same to an individual.

    Quayins(cains) love is contrary to The Love that fulfills Torah}{TaNaKh

    Blessings Always
     
  12. HARK!

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    Yahshua was quoting Leviticus on that one.

    (CLV) LV 19:18
    18 You shall not avenge nor shall you be resentful against the sons of your people. You will love your associate as yourself:I am Yahweh.
     
  13. tulc

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    ...where were the gentiles mentioned in that one? Because I would have thought "the sons of your people" would seem to only be talking about the Jews in that one as well. :scratch:
    tulc(is just curious)
     
  14. HARK!

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    YHWH wasn't talking only to the Jews. He was talking to Israel. Yahshua repeated his father's words to his disciples; then he told his disciples to teach everything that he had commanded to the Gentiles.
     
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    Shabbat is a house or place where all like minded believers gather to worship The Lord of Host.
    Then on the following yom(first day) they break bread and depart to do the Lords will with the good soils.

    Blessings Always
     
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  16. tulc

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    oops...I'm not really supposed to be posting here. Sorry. :doh:
    tulc(will try and pay better attention from now on) :sorry:
     
  17. Dkh587

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    The Messiah taught the disciples (and general public to obey the Law in Matthew 5-7

    also, in Matthew 23:1-3, Messiah taught the disciples and general public obedience to Moses. So, they were expected to teach the nations obedience to Moses.
     
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  18. pinacled

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    Hehehe
    Listen to your owner dogs
     
  19. Victor in Christ

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    Hark!, would it be joyful in your house preparing for Hanukkah or a taskworthy chore?
     
  20. HARK!

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    I believe that YHWH calls us to be joyful in all that we do.
     
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