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Teach Safe Violence

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Here is just a very odd idea.

It is argued that:

- we ought to teach safe sex in schools because if we don't there will simply be kids having unsafe sex, thus being more apt to contract disease or have unwanted pregnancy.

- sex is natural and beautiful and shouldn't be treated as a dirty phenomenon.

- religious conservatives are trying to get their agenda into school, and essentially violating the rights of everyone else and making us look like we live in the stone age by trying to teach stuff like 'abstinence only,' which simply have not proven to be effective.

What if we had a system that essentially regulated violence between students, and emphasized what 'honorable fighting' is, and how to control violent altercations so that no one is seriously hurt.

Teach kids mixed martial arts and offer programs at schools that would allow teachers to regulate and observe fighting; much as a school passes out condoms, we could have regulatory bodies to insure the safety of students who desired to fight to settle a conflict.

Whereas:

- violence is going to happen, anyways, and is more likely to have negative repercussions if we do not insure it is done ethically and safely between consenting parties who have an understanding of how to avoid permanent damage.

- violence is natural and beautiful. The fighting entertainment industry rakes in billions across the globe because people are thrilled and excited to see physical combat.

- Liberals are trying to manipulate our schools with 'pacifism only' policies; they have gone to such extents as to create 'zero tolerance' policies concerning violence, even if it is done by two consenting people. They are trying to erect their godless religion of humanism.

And maybe we can all wonder why the liberals took boxing class out of traditional education.

It has even been said of teaching violent sport in school:

'In my own constituency, it's probably the number one sport that young people want to do. It gives them self-esteem, it gets rid of aggression, yet at the same time it's a highly disciplined sport.
'We know it can be a way of disengaging kids from gangs, carrying knives, from low level crime and high level anti-social behaviour.'


It has become so popular in schools, quite simply, because it works,' said Rebecca Gibson, head of development at the Amateur Boxing Association of England.


Among the schools that have already seen the benefits of boxing is the Harris Academy in Merton, South London.

'It has had an impact on everything here, from behaviour and attendance to academic attainment,' said Greg Morrison, assistant principal.
Thoughts?

 

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Sex is natural, and can be fun when both parties consent. Violence isn't comparable to sex.

To be far, fighting can be fun when both parties consent. I've fought people with both my bare hands and with swords, and we've both had a whale of a time.
I can see and understand your disagreement, but I think I can also see Verv's point here.
Orgainised combats, as in boxing, fencing, and various martial arts, have as much in common with bashing someone over the head by surprise as two people having consentual sex has with grabbing someone and forcibly penetrating them.

More to follow, I hope, after sleep.
 
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i know this is mostly a joke, but i'm going to bite anyway.

violence is going to happen, anyways, and is more likely to have negative repercussions if we do not insure it is done ethically and safely between consenting parties who have an understanding of how to avoid permanent damage.

verv, you're missing the whole point of violence.

If you teach kids "safe violence", they're going to do precisely the opposite of what you teach them to do, so as to make the violence they do to others as unsafe as possible. That's because the point of violence is to hurt other people. Do you see how this is different from sex?
 
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In the U.S. Football is available as a violent outlet.

In the U.K. and most Rugby is available. (Also Russia, Georgia, France, Tonga, Somoa and Fiji)

Acceptable violent outlets seem pretty much already available.

Don't forget Wrestling as well. Was always a big deal in my circle, actually. Maybe we were just weird? ^_^

But violent outlets for individuals are very available, and very acceptable to society as well.


But, to second what others have said, I find it hard to see violence and (consenting) sex comparable.
 
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Abstinence only has definitely worked for me, I haven't gotten anyone pregnant and I don't have any STD's.
Thats good that that has worked for you.

I found abstinence to be a miserable and depressing experience.


As for the OP, I dont think you can make a valid comparison between sex and violence on an educational level.

Aside from that, I completely agree that we should implement more martial arts programs and training in schools. It teaches discipline, makes for a good workout, gives people self-confidence and pride, as well as helps teach young women how to defend themselves and reinforces the concepts of honor and courage.
 
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Thats good that that has worked for you.

I found abstinence to be a miserable and depressing experience.


As for the OP, I dont think you can make a valid comparison between sex and violence on an educational level.

Aside from that, I completely agree that we should implement more martial arts programs and training in schools. It teaches discipline, makes for a good workout, gives people self-confidence and pride, as well as helps teach young women how to defend themselves and reinforces the concepts of honor and courage.

You could only have fun while having sex? How can it hold so much power over you?
 
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You could only have fun while having sex? How can it hold so much power over you?

I wouldnt go that far, but I found the experience of abstinence caused feelings of depression, loneliness, and self-confidence issues. Physical touch and intimacy (not necessarily sex) is a BIG deal with me, if I go too long without it I start feeling very depressed.

Freud that up all you want, it boils down to the fact that I found abstinence detrimental to my emotional and mental health.

I dont contend everyone else is that way, but there are more than a few others like me :)
 
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I wouldnt go that far, but I found the experience of abstinence caused feelings of depression, loneliness, and self-confidence issues. Physical touch and intimacy (not necessarily sex) is a BIG deal with me, if I go too long without it I start feeling very depressed.

Freud that up all you want, it boils down to the fact that I found abstinence detrimental to my emotional and mental health.

I dont contend everyone else is that way, but there are more than a few others like me :)

...you really think the problem was abstinence?
 
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Overall, I think that the martial arts are valuable and rewarding activities and sports, and there is no reason to not include them in schools (as football and wrestling seem to be fine). Mixed Martial arts, boxing, kickboxing, submission grappling, and other forms of fighting all provide a good outlet of energy, provide good exercise, and teach the ability to defend against threats (which also builds confidence as a side-effect).

I don't think children should be taught that fighting over disagreements can be helpful, though. The person who is better at fighting, or is stronger, or more aggressive, has no bearing on who is "right" in their disagreement.

-Liberals are trying to manipulate our schools with 'pacifism only' policies; they have gone to such extents as to create 'zero tolerance' policies concerning violence, even if it is done by two consenting people. They are trying to erect their godless religion of humanism.

And maybe we can all wonder why the liberals took boxing class out of traditional education.
This is the main part of your post I find problematic. Liberals = godless humanism? Because there aren't millions of religious or spiritual liberals around the world?

Liberals took boxing class out of traditional education? From which country or state? Which "liberals" were they? All liberals?

It looks like you've regressed to blaming the nebulous "liberals" for everything. What does conservatism or liberalism have anything to do with mixed martial arts?

-Lyn
 
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Liberals are trying to manipulate our schools with 'pacifism only' policies;
Democracy has a hysterical belief in the futility of violence; which demonstrates an ignorance of history on such a vast scale it is scarcely comprehensible.

Any children of mine will be taught how to fight and, if necessary, to kill.
 
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Democracy has a hysterical belief in the futility of violence; which demonstrates an ignorance of history on such a vast scale it is scarcely comprehensible.

Any children of mine will be taught how to fight and, if necessary, to kill.

I was taught to love, and if necessary die.
 
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Here is just a very odd idea.

It is argued that:

- we ought to teach safe sex in schools because if we don't there will simply be kids having unsafe sex, thus being more apt to contract disease or have unwanted pregnancy.

- sex is natural and beautiful and shouldn't be treated as a dirty phenomenon.

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Comprehensive sex education has been shown to delay the initiation of sex in teens, (an average of delaying initial sexual experience of 1.4 years) reducing the frequency of sex, reduced the number of lifetime sexual partners, and the incidence of unprotected sex, and increasing the use of condoms and contraception among sexually active participants leading to drastic reductions in teen pregnancy (68% reduction) and the incidence of sexually transmitted diseases

Kirby D. Emerging Answers: Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy.

Kirby D et al. Impact of Sex and HIV Education Programs on Sexual Behaviors of Youth in Developing and Developed Countries.

Baldo M et al. Does Sex Education Lead to Earlier or Increased Sexual Activity in Youth?

Feijoo AN, Grayton C. Trends in Sexual Risk Behaviors among High School Students—United States, 1991 to 2003.

Mueller, T.E., Gavin, L.E., and Kulkarni, A. Association between sex education and youth’s engagement in sexual intercourse, age at first intercourse and birth control use at first sex
 
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