Tattoos

[jamadan]

I had surgery and there is still a surgical tattoo mark on my skin. So you insist on your demons theory including for surgery?

Of course not. I can't imagine your being serious with this, but in case . . . It's not the ink in the skin, it's the seeking out of painful, self-mutilation "art" that permanently defaces the body that God created sealing in rebellion. First time I saw this connection was when a man came up for prayer and a word of knowledge came forth describing a lone wolf with an angry heart. Thinking it merely a metaphor, i was surprised to see the man"s eyes grew wide and he lifted his pant leg revealing a huge tattoo'd angry wolf on his calf. After he repented, we prayed and the demon manifested before leaving. Tattoos have always been tied to pagan, demonic cultures where demons lead their devotees to mutilate the flesh and emblazon their demonic symbols and images. Even religious tattoos are tied to religious spirits. Do not be deceived, the Christian who gets tattoo'd and pierced is yielding to the god of this world and reaping the consequences in the same way playing with ouija boards do.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Of course not. I can't imagine your being serious with this, but in case . . . It's not the ink in the skin, it's the seeking out of painful, self-mutilation "art" that permanently defaces the body that God created sealing in rebellion. First time I saw this connection was when a man came up for prayer and a word of knowledge came forth describing a lone wolf with an angry heart. Thinking it merely a metaphor, i was surprised to see the man"s eyes grew wide and he lifted his pant leg revealing a huge tattoo'd angry wolf on his calf. After he repented, we prayed and the demon manifested before leaving. Tattoos have always been tied to pagan, demonic cultures where demons lead their devotees to mutilate the flesh and emblazon their demonic symbols and images. Even religious tattoos are tied to religious spirits. Do not be deceived, the Christian who gets tattoo'd and pierced is yielding to the god of this world and reaping the consequences in the same way playing with ouija boards do.

Okay; ty for the response; but so what I'm getting is that its not the tattoo itself but the motive.

Well, some people - Christians - are motivated to get faith based tattoos, for witness purposes: e.g., the preacher's daughter who gets a cross or John 3.16 or a Christian fish sign <>< inked on a wrist.

My wife and I talked to a young lady with John 3.16 inked in full on her wrist area. It was her favorite Bible verse, and mine, too. I'm sure there will have been other conversations resulting from her tattoo: probably many of them.

 

[jamadan]

No - not just the motive. When we yield to tattooing, as a Christian, we're yielding to the god of this world. Tattoos are a form a pagan worship. Getting Christian tattoos may seem innocent, but the devil is perfectly fine operating within a religious spirit provided he can have entry into us like this. Same as going to a Christian for hypnosis or yoga . . . these are demonic practices and most definitely open us up to demons even if we cloak them in religious garb. Many Christians unknowingly are playing with the tools of the enemy because they aren't focusing on following God's ways so they seek out the ways of the world and other gods.

In terms of a witness ... how does mimicking the world provide a witness for Christ? Wouldn't a more effective witness be to proclaim His Word and heal the sick... you know, the tools He gave the Church for witnessing. See what I mean? We aren't faithful with using what God gave us, but we're adamant in promoting the tools of the enemy? How backwards can this be?

 

[faroukfarouk]

No - not just the motive. When we yield to tattooing, as a Christian, we're yielding to the god of this world. Tattoos are a form a pagan worship. Getting Christian tattoos may seem innocent, but the devil is perfectly fine operating within a religious spirit provided he can have entry into us like this. Same as going to a Christian for hypnosis or yoga . . . these a demonic practices. Many Christians unknowingly are playing with the tools of the enemy because they aren't focusing on following God's ways so they seek out the ways of the world and other gods.

So the surgical tattoo, then, is also about demons, logically?

 

[jamadan]

So the surgical tattoo, then, is also about demons, logically?

What exactly is a surgical tattoo? Are you talking about temporary ink to label where a surgery takes place? And then washes off? Then 'no', it's not the same thing. Find it hard you find this a legitimate comparison.

 

[faroukfarouk]

What exactly is a surgical tattoo? Are you talking about temporary ink to label where a surgery takes place? And then washes off? Then 'no', it's not the same thing. Find it hard you find this a legitimate comparison.

It's on my skin pretty permanently; it does not seem to have washed off in months.

All I can say; at least I had the surgery; I'm still alive.

I think you're wide of the mark when you seemingly talk about demons being supposedly behind every permanent tattoo.

It depends a lot of the purpose, motive, intention, aim, background plan...or whatever term might be used.

 

[jamadan]

Of course. Surgical tattoos are to mark locations for medical procedures. That's not the same thing we're talking about at all. Most such tattoos wash off, but if they are needed to mark locations for radiation and cancer treatments, then they are permanent. Regardless, they're clearly not the same thing and are not spiritual things at all. But I don't think you can't tell the difference. I think you're just trying to make a point so you can stretch your definition and justify rebellion with other tattoos on you or someone you love. I'm telling you straight, from first hand experience in deliverance ministry, even tattoos of crosses and Scripture verses are demonic and not of God.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Of course. Surgical tattoos are to mark locations for medical procedures. That's not the same thing we're talking about at all. Most such tattoos wash off, but if they are needed to mark locations for radiation and cancer treatments, then they are permanent. Regardless, they're clearly not the same thing and are not spiritual things at all. But I don't think you can't tell the difference. I think you're just trying to make a point so you can stretch your definition and justify rebellion with other tattoos on you or someone you love. I'm telling you straight, from first hand experience in deliverance ministry, even tattoos of crosses and Scripture verses are demonic and not of God.

On what authority do you make your claim?

 

[jamadan]

The authority God has given me as a 30 year teacher in His Church and through the prayer/healing and deliverance ministry. It really doesn't matter what credentials I whip out, you'll choose to believe me or not. Scripture states clearly not to get tattooed because of their connection to pagan idolatry worship. That remains true today. Everyone getting tattooed today is ignoring God's Word, which is the ultimate authority.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The authority God has given me as a 30 year teacher in His Church and through the prayer/healing and deliverance ministry. It really doesn't matter what credentials I whip out, you'll choose to believe me or not. Scripture states clearly not to get tattooed because of their connection to pagan idolatry worship. That remains true today. Everyone getting tattooed today is ignoring God's Word, which is the ultimate authority.

I agree about the Scriptures, but which verse are you specifically thinking about?

 

[jamadan]

You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, neither shall you tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (1 Cor 6:19-21)

 

[faroukfarouk]

You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, neither shall you tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. (1 Cor 6:19-21)

Verse 27 in the Leviticus passage seems to say about not trimming one's beard. Do preachers shave? If preachers do shave, then maybe they are backhandedly admitting that today New Testament believers under grace are in a different dispensation from Old Testament Jews in the land under the law, with its many ceremonial aspects?

Again, presumably motive for a faith based tattoo counts for something?

 

[jamadan]

Still looking for wiggle room justification. I'm not going there. I think you know what's really right and you're fighting the Holy Spirit at this point. I'll leave it to Him.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Still looking for wiggle room justification. I'm not going there. I think you know what's really right and you're fighting the Holy Spirit at this point. I'll leave it to Him.

So do you shave? it's an honest question. Or are you the one engaging in what you can wiggle room justification? My way of reading the Scriptures is not to make sweeping condemnations without first looking at the context of the passage in question.

 

[jamadan]

Like I said, you've been warned. That's all I can do. Sinful desires are tough to die to and you're struggling with it, I understand that.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Like I said, you've been warned. That's all I can do. Sinful desires are tough to die to and you're struggling with it, I understand that.

You're not even remotely engaging with the Scriptures - as I recall, it was you who first referred to the Leviticus passage - and then you won't look at its context, it seems, yet you like to issue threats.

I hope other aspects of your ministry to people are more persuasive and Scriptural.

 

[jamadan]

I can tell the spirit you're operating in right now and it's not the Holy Spirit. Of course I'm not playing this game. I can tell you what 30 years of Spirit-Filled ministry and Scripture has taught me. I don't have to engage in arguments to find loopholes for those who reject God's commands and counsel. We're not to 'cast pearls before the swine'.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I can tell the spirit you're operating in right now and it's not the Holy Spirit. Of course I'm not playing this game. We're not to 'cast pearls before the swine'.

Okay so you and your sweeping demon theory are the pearls and I'm the swine.

Be that as it may, when the Holy Spirit inspired Old Testament books such as Leviticus, on the one hand, and New Testament books on the other: who were the respective audiences? are we all Jews today in the land under the law with its ceremonies? Were the original readers of Leviticus all New Testament Christians that gathered to break bread, and testified to others with the Gospel?

This why I asked about looking at the context, before issuing sweeping condemnations.

 

[jamadan]

I didn't base my warning on the Scripture originally, just used the Scripture to point out that God has already spoken on the issue. Same as the Bible doesn't say anything about forbidding yoga, but it's a form of pagan worship (like tattoos and cuttings) and from experience, most definitely opens one up to demonic activity, even possession. You can argue with me 'til your blue in the face, but I wouldn't change that statement or opinion. Once you've cast out demons who were manifesting and they confessed to entry into the person via yoga or tattoos, something that has happened more than once, then I'm convinced and will share what I've learned so others who are open to listening to their elders can learn and avoid the same mistakes. But I don't waste time explaining to someone who wants to trample on what I've shared. It's that simple. I'm done. You can accept or reject. That's between you and God.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I didn't base my warning on the Scripture originally, just used the Scripture to point out that God has already spoken on the issue. Same as the Bible doesn't say anything about forbidding yoga, but it's a form of pagan worship (like tattoos and cuttings) and from experience, most definitely opens one up to demonic activity, even possession. You can argue with me 'til your blue in the face, but I wouldn't change that statement or opinion. Once you've cast out demons who were manifesting and they confessed to entry into the person via yoga or tattoos, something that has happened more than once, then I'm convinced and will share what I've learned so others who are open to listening to their elders can learn and avoid the same mistakes. But I don't waste time explaining to someone who wants to trample on what I've shared. It's that simple. I'm done. You can accept or reject. That's between you and God.

Are you my elder?

I appreciate you taking the trouble to reply to my posts. What I'm still wondering about is how passages written to Old Testament Jews, an earthly people, in the land under the law, relate to New Testament Christians, a heavenly people, under grace. Presumably you're familiar with dispensations and dispensationalism (okay, so I identify with dispensationalism)?