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I already responded to your question in another post...perhaps you did not see it. As far as clipping the beard goes, I don't fully understand that particular verse so I am unable to give a clear yes or no in regards to sideburns. After studying several different opinions (especially from the Jewish perspective) on the subject, I have no opinion. I personally don't think that sideburns are what the scripture is talking about, you do. Oh well. Yet, you continued to hound me when I'd already answered you. I DON'T KNOW.
I'm not sure how asking a question a second time could be considered "hounding", but you did not answer me saying you did not know the first time I asked (I just went back and looked). Here's how you responded after I asked the question the first time;
How is it though that we can take two items from the list (shaving and tatooing) and say they don't matter but everything else on the list does? How are we coming to our conclusions as to what we can erase off the list of what God says "do not do"?
This is what I objected to. Your assertion throughout this thread has been that people are erasing things off "the list". I then went on to explain that wasn't true; that most people aren't "picking and choosing" things off of a list in Leviticus that they find palatable to them, but rather they are compelled by the Love of God that leads and guides them.
I'm not ignoring it, I just don't have an answer. I already told you that in a previous post. Why force me to give an answer when I don't have one? I know you would not prefer that I make something up. If I don't know, I don't know, and I'll say so.
OK. You've made it abundantly clear in this post that you don't know. Duly noted.
I would tell them I don't know and then I would refer them to the same sites I found info on and let them do their own research and come to their own conclusions about what that verse is actually saying. Do not get tatoo's is a pretty clear verse though, there is no wondering if God meant pink tatoos, blue tatoos, large tatoos, or any other tatoos. It says "no tatoos".
Interestingly enough, the Amplified Bible says this in Isaiah 44 (emphasis added);
Isaiah 44:5 (AMP)
One will say, I am the Lord's; and another will call himself by the name of Jacob; and another will write [even brand or tattoo] upon his hand, I am the Lord's, and surname himself by the [honorable] name of Israel.
It seems odd that God would say this if He were as dead set against all tattoos as you seem to be implying.One will say, I am the Lord's; and another will call himself by the name of Jacob; and another will write [even brand or tattoo] upon his hand, I am the Lord's, and surname himself by the [honorable] name of Israel.
Actually in its context, Leviticus 19 says no tattoo marks immediately after an admonishment not to cut oneself for the dead. Therefore, it is perfectly reasonable to believe that perhaps this has something to do with tattoos for the dead... but I digress.
Leviticus 19 contains a pretty big list of things not to do, from not reaping a harvest from the edge of your field to not wearing clothing woven of 2 different kinds of material. It also contains the instruction to not eat fruit from fruit trees you plant for 5 years. These are all in the list of don'ts, and are equally as clear as the instruction to not get a tattoo. Oddly enough, I've never heard anyone tell someone else that by eating the fruit from a tree they've planted before year 5 that they are in disobedience to God's commands.
I do not believe that Leviticus 19 is the baseline for what God doesn't want us to do. I believe it contains, as the NIV subtitle of the chapter indicates, "Various Laws" for a specific people and purpose.
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