Taking Questions on the Creation Week

[AV1611VET]

For the sake of the new guys here (Welcome!), I'll reopen one of my favorite subjects and take questions on the Creation Week, and try to answer to the best of my ability and understanding.

Fire when ready!

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

For the sake of the new guys here (Welcome!), I'll reopen one of my favorite subjects and take questions on the Creation Week, and try to answer to the best of my ability and understanding.

Fire when ready!

When did people begin to believe the "Creation Week" was a literal event, and not allegorical?

 

[AV1611VET]

When did people begin to believe the "Creation Week" was a literal event, and not allegorical?

On Day One.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

On Day One.

Actually, if you've ever read your Bible, people weren't "created" until day six.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, if you've ever read your Bible, people weren't "created" until day six.

That's true, but angels are people too; and so is the Godhead, a.k.a. First Person, Second Person, Third Person.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

That's true, but angels are people too; and so is the Godhead, a.k.a. First Person, Second Person, Third Person.

You had your chance for some real discussion bro, but you just couldn't resist a smarmy semantic response, could you? Have fun in your own little world.//

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

were the sun/moon created on the described day. Or was it merely that the firnament cleared up enough for us to be able to see them and thus 'apearing' on the sky from an earth perspective?

appolagies for the lousy typing, its late.

 

[Blayz]

On which day were micro-organisms created, and why?

 

[AV1611VET]

were the sun/moon created on the described day.

Yes -- Day Four, to be exact.

Or was it merely that the firnament cleared up enough for us to be able to see them and thus 'apearing' on the sky from an earth perspective?

I don't believe the firmament was that cloudy.

There are three firmaments mentioned in the Scriptures:

1. first heaven = atmosphere
2. second heaven = outer space
3. third heaven = Heaven proper

appolagies for the lousy typing, its late.

No sorries allowed --

 

[AV1611VET]

On which day were micro-organisms created, and why?

That's a toughy -- I don't know.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Yes -- Day Four, to be exact.

I don't believe the firmament was that cloudy.

There are three firmaments mentioned in the Scriptures:

1. first heaven = atmosphere
2. second heaven = outer space
3. third heaven = Heaven proper

What are the scriptures that say this?

No sorries allowed --

Fine I'm not sorry then

 

[AV1611VET]

What are the scriptures that say this?

I don't really want to go outside of Genesis 1 too much in this thread, but for the record:

Notice how Genesis reads:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

You'll note that in 1:1 we have heaven as singular, but in 2:1 -- after the Creation Week is finished -- we have heaven as plural.

Sidebar: Paul warns about pluralizing words in his epistle to the Galatians.

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

So why is 'heaven' singular in 1:1 and plural in 2:1?

Simple -- God created two more 'heavens'.

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Here, we see God shearing off a layer of the earth's water; presumably to send it into space for future use in Noah's time.

Thus the waters below (ocean) and the waters above (canopy or giant ice ball or giant ice cube in orbit) are occupying two different "firmaments" or "heavens".

Finally, we see Paul, who was beaten to death in Lystra (Acts 14), talking about being in "third heaven":

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, ( whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

And there you have it -- three firmaments or three heavens -- take your pick.

 

[Delphiki]

Did God create all life during the creation week?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did God create all life during the creation week?

100%

 

[Delphiki]

So, God is not alive?

 

[Delphiki]

Somehow I knew the answers would stop at one of my questions.

 

[anabaptistfaith]

Somehow I knew the answers would stop at one of my questions.

The answers do not stop there. I am sure AV was referring to physical life when he stated (quite correctly) that 100% of it was created during Creation Week. Definitions only need to be specified before the seeming stumbling block you have presented to us creationists is cleared away quite easily.

Yes, it is true we cannot conclusively answer for the origin of God, since that takes us into the immortal realm, a place we humans just cannot comprehend. But atheistic evolutionists have yet to explain the origin of the first life. Does it not seem more miraculous that life should have arisen without any intelligent input? Perhaps you would allow for the aliens' responsibility in seeding this planet with life, but then the question is only pushed out further--to the origin of the aliens.

 

[Delphiki]

The answers do not stop there. I am sure AV was referring to physical life when he stated (quite correctly) that 100% of it was created during Creation Week. Definitions only need to be specified before the seeming stumbling block you have presented to us creationists is cleared away quite easily.

Yes, it is true we cannot conclusively answer for the origin of God, since that takes us into the immortal realm, a place we humans just cannot comprehend. But atheistic evolutionists have yet to explain the origin of the first life. Does it not seem more miraculous that life should have arisen without any intelligent input? Perhaps you would allow for the aliens' responsibility in seeding this planet with life, but then the question is only pushed out further--to the origin of the aliens.

It's not the place for the Theory of Evolution to explain the origin of life, as the theory explains the diversity of life from common descent.

The origin of life can be reasonably explained away as a chemical reaction that is no more miraculous than a baking soda volcano science project, actually. Do we have evidence for it? Not exactly -- that's why abiogenesis is still hypothesis.

The reason why our explanation happens to be a naturalistic one is because any explanation for anything we know thus far about the universe has naturalistic explanations behind them. There's no rational reason to assume the supernatural is responsible for anything or even exists at all, for that matter.

But see, rather than making the assumption that we know it for fact, we continue to study it until we know more about it, and then keep studying it still. Unlike creationism, which is takes an anti-knowledge stance by saying "God did it, that settles it, there's nothing to learn here."

 

[Tinker Grey]

The answers do not stop there. I am sure AV was referring to physical life when he stated (quite correctly) that 100% of it was created during Creation Week. Definitions only need to be specified before the seeming stumbling block you have presented to us creationists is cleared away quite easily.

Yes, it is true we cannot conclusively answer for the origin of God, since that takes us into the immortal realm, a place we humans just cannot comprehend. But atheistic evolutionists have yet to explain the origin of the first life. Does it not seem more miraculous that life should have arisen without any intelligent input? Perhaps you would allow for the aliens' responsibility in seeding this planet with life, but then the question is only pushed out further--to the origin of the aliens.

WRT non-physical life: Can you define it such that it includes God but excludes robots?

 

[Tiberius]

I got a question for you about Creation, AV...

What do we see in reality which could exist if creation was true but the scientific account of how the earth formed and all that was wrong?