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Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

Diamond72

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Except there are parts of the Bible which contradict known facts about our world,
Science and the Bible do not contradict each other at all. The only real contradictions are the traditions of man and Jesus warns us about this. Many times I have had people try to show a contradiction and they ultimately always fail to accomplish their objective.
 
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a 20 year gap is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to the gap between historical events and their documentation.
The Hasidic say that the Oral tradition goes back to Abraham and even Adam. Often the Bible was oral for a very long time. For example the Psalm that Moses wrote was not actually written down until the time of David when the Psalms were written.
 
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The earth came into existence as old as God willed it to be.
The entire perspective of mankind is wrong and sinful and opposed to God and destructive to people everywhere.
Did God Say "Behold, I Make All Things New?"
 
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The Hasidic say that the Oral tradition goes back to Abraham and even Adam. Often the Bible was oral for a very long time. For example the Psalm that Moses wrote was not actually written down until the time of David when the Psalms were written.
The hasidic may say that, but the historical evidence indicates the "oral torah" originated about 200 BC and developed until being codified in th 5th century.

Though it's true that the Bible was oral for a while before being committed to writing, and that the oral tradition of Christian confession predates the written articles. In fact, the author of Luke-Acts cites preservation of what was shared among the community as the reason he committed the works to parchment.
 
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We are also not told that God "embedded" age into His creation in order to fool mankind.
The evil one, the devil, is the author of lies, stealing, killing, hollywood, and all deception.
The devil has continually fooled people who read forums today, and it is easy to do, since truth is not permitted, let alone supported or enforced.
 
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But also, God as I know Him, is straight up and honest. He's not at all capable to deception. Which is what embedded age paints God as.
Could be it is 'strange fire'. Not of God, nor necessary, nor helpful , nor healing ..... like evolution itself totally not of God.
 
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....."the Bible doesn't actually SAY that."
Evaluating continually uncounted threads and posts in any area, less than 5% are in harmony with what God Says. Most are opposed.
 
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The hasidic may say that, but the historical evidence indicates the "oral torah" originated about 200 BC and developed until being codified in th 5th century.
You're right! Historical evidence suggests that the Oral Torah, as we understand it today, began to take shape around 200 BC and continued to develop until it was codified in the 5th century CE1. This period saw the compilation of key texts like the Mishnah and the Talmud, which are central to Rabbinic Judaism.

When Paul tells us in Romans: "It is written" people do not look to see what was written. Paul is teaching us what he learned from David in the Psalms.

For example, in Romans 3:10, Paul writes, "As it is written: 'There is no one righteous, not even one,'" which is a reference to Psalm 14:1-3 and Psalm 53:1-3.

By invoking the Psalms and other Old Testament writings, Paul connects his messages to the deep roots of Jewish tradition, demonstrating continuity and fulfillment of prophecy in the context of the Christian faith.
 
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Those things could be seen as giving the appearance of age, particularly the stars, which, if we went by the time their light would take to reach the earth, would provide an age of up to millions or even billions of years,
There is no age at the speed of light. That is why we can still see the early universe.
 
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But God didn't create Adam & Eve in a state of decay.
Correct, we may not agree on how Adam and Eve got to the prime of life. But we agree that they were not to age. It is pretty obvious when we see that before Noah they were living to be 1,000 years old. No one seems to know what happened only God said He would limit human life to 120 years.

Genesis 6:3: "Then the Lord said, 'My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.'" ḇā-’ā-ḏām Of course KJV uses man and not the word human.
  • בָּ (ḇā): a prefix that means "in" or "within."
  • אָדָם (adam): the word for "man" or "human."
Together, ḇā-’ā-ḏām emphasizes the collective nature of humanity
 
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My name is a combination of AV1611 and VET for veteran, since I'm a Vietnam Era vet.
Thanks for explaining. "Vet" where I live in the UK means something different. It's an abbreviation for "veterinary surgeon," an animal doctor! Sorry about the lateness of this acknowledgment, but I missed your post, and have only just seen it.
 
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There is no age at the speed of light. That is why we can still see the early universe.
I was answering Warden of the Storm who had mentioned something about 6000 years. He said that the bible doesn't mention 6000 years. I agreed, but said that that doesn't mean that the universe must be billions of years old. Some of the features of Creation show that God created a functioning universe. The sun, moon and stars had the God-given purpose of giving light on the earth, so that implies that the light was already reaching the earth at creation, not, as is sometimes claimed, taking millions of years or more for light from the farthest stars to reach earth.
 
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that that doesn't mean that the universe must be billions of years old.
My son, a computer engineer, often reminds me of the precision and exactness of mathematics, akin to the way God describes His Justice as exact and precise. While working on quality control for nano resistors at Wolfspeed, a $15 billion factory, he witnessed firsthand the meticulous nature of science at a microscopic scale. Although things can become complicated and beyond our understanding, it doesn't diminish the precision of the universe. Consider a Tesla, with its 20,000 individual parts, all working together in harmony most of the time. This collaboration exemplifies the precision found in both science and the natural order.
 
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"Vet" where I live in the UK means something different.
I am a Vietnam era "Vet" also, but I usually do not talk about it. Things were different back in the 70's than they are now. I have a lot of friends with a lot of stories to tell though.
 
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GOD DID NOT DECEIVE ANYONE ABOUT CREATION . MANKIND NEEDS NO HELP DECEIVING THEMSELVES. AND WHAT MANKIND DOESNT COMPLETELY DO TO THEMSELVES THE ENEMY OF YOUR SOUL WILL HELP AND PROVIDE "THE PROOF ", BUT HE IS THE FATHER OF LIES AND LIARS. The only embedded age in creation is mankind chose to believe in anti catistrophicism. Which makes Gods creation look warn out. But those are choices, wrong choices. Wrong faith.
 
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The only embedded age in creation is mankind chose to believe in anti catistrophicism.
Stephen Jay Gould, along with Niles Eldredge, proposed the theory of punctuated equilibrium in1971. This theory suggests that evolution is characterized by long periods of stability interrupted by short, rapid changes, rather than a slow, continuous process. While this theory doesn't directly challenge catastrophism, it does offer an alternative view to the gradualism that was previously dominant in evolutionary biology. (Wiki)
 
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