Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AveChristusRex]

Nothing wrong ? The errors continue !

I meant there is nothing wrong with respectfully disagreeing with one another, much love!

 

[Aaron112]

WIthout repentance, the errors continue for millions, or billions, of souls.

I don't know whether calling that wrong is the best descriptor, but it is a humongous problem.

 

[AV1611VET]

True. But sometimes, fellow Christians also make the Bible hard to believe because they insist on pressing silly interpretations of it, wouldn't you agree?

In the verse that I found, it makes it hard on the interpreter, not the interpretee.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Aaron112]

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Wow! I read the Scripture many many times and this is the first time I remember seeing the words:

"unto their own destruction." ........ I've said and seen their posts and lives and actions and attitudes are the way of destruction (for themselves and for others) ,
and seeing this directly in Scripture, which is always truth, is AWESOME.
(not hoping for their destruction, which is certain, but seeing their destruction as God sees)

 

[BCP1928]

But it has been well seen since the first century or soon after,
that the Bible did not give the worldly church its authority. That came from man/men. (and not good)

It is believe to be the Holy Spirit that gives the church its authority, not the Bible.

 

[Kylie]

It deals with the natural and verifies the natural and repeats the natural, there can be no denial. Creation was not natural. Time to admit it

There is no point in trying to have a discussion with you. Your mind is closed to anything other than that which you have already decided is true. All you do is repeat the same things over and over and ignore anything anyone says that is different.

Why are you even here if you refuse to have a discussion?

 

[Kylie]

Because Gen 2 is a rehash of what was already done, giving extra details - not a different account

And a different order.

But I suspect you will just deny this and continue holding what you already decided is true.

 

[AveChristusRex]

It is believe to be the Holy Spirit that gives the church its authority, not the Bible.

Correct, it just exclimates the authority.

 

[AveChristusRex]

And a different order.

But I suspect you will just deny this and continue holding what you already decided is true.

You know, with all love and due respect to those in the skeptical circles, we should all remember the purported words of St. Francis "preach the Gospel, and if necessary, use words." Our actions should dictate not only our beliefs, but our connections with God and subsequent acceptance of the graces He gives us. With how some skeptics and atheists act here on CF, it would appear that, at least in speech, no one is at peace with themselves or with the world: "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear" (Ephesians 4:29). "Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person" (Colossians 4:6). I will pray for you !

 

[truthpls]

There is no point in trying to have a discussion with you. Your mind is closed to anything other than that which you have already decided is true. All you do is repeat the same things over and over and ignore anything anyone says that is different.

Why are you even here if you refuse to have a discussion?

Why are you here if your mind is closed and you think that the creation of God has to be explained only by the natural? Have you some proof it was natural?

 

[truthpls]

And a different order.

But I suspect you will just deny this and continue holding what you already decided is true.

There is no order in chapter two regarding the sequence of creation and days etc. Show me one morning and evening or day in chapter 2? You can't. Why do you insist it is some other and different set of mornings and evenings then??

 

[David Lamb]

Agreed. But why do you insist upon calling it one account? You have two chapters in a book which you insist on calling one chapter. You must have some reason for doing it.

It's important to remember that chapter and verse divisions were not originally in the bible, but were added much later as an aid to referencing particular parts of the bible. So there was no "Chapter 1" and "Chapter 2" when Genesis was first written. I think chapter divisions were added in the early 13th century A.D., and verses in the 16th century. As for your question about one account, why should it not be, as the post to which you were replying said, that what we now call Genesis 2 deals in more detail with what has already been recorded in the previous chapter, rather than a separate account?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No agreement here. no.

In the verse that I found, it makes it hard on the interpreter, not the interpretee.

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Everyone is an interpreter of an author. Everyone.

And, while I'm at it, may I ask you to please refrain from making up your own words. Thank you!

 

[Aaron112]

Everyone is an interpreter of an author. Everyone.

No. That's not correct.

And, while I'm at it, may I ask you to please refrain from making up your own words. Thank you!

Why ?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No. That's not correct.

It most CERTAINLY is correct. How do I know? Because I have the work of nearly three dozen diverse Bible scholars who tell me this very thing.

Are you more informed and educated than they?

Why ?

Aaron, you need to snuffle-obfuscus while you sneedle glower in the mouer.

 

[Aaron112]

"Jesus Praises Father for Hiding Teachings​

According to Scripture, Jesus praised God the Father for hiding salvation and spiritual truths from scholars and wise individuals, and revealing them to “little children” (Matthew 11:25-26). This passage highlights God’s sovereign choice to conceal His ways from those who rely on human wisdom and understanding, and to reveal them to those who approach Him with childlike faith and humility."

 

[2PhiloVoid]

"Jesus Praises Father for Hiding Teachings​

According to Scripture, Jesus praised God the Father for hiding salvation and spiritual truths from scholars and wise individuals, and revealing them to “little children” (Matthew 11:25-26). This passage highlights God’s sovereign choice to conceal His ways from those who rely on human wisdom and understanding, and to reveal them to those who approach Him with childlike faith and humility."

Enough of your banter, Aaron.

 

[Aaron112]

Matthew 11:25-26, Jesus breaks into prayer, saying, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.” This statement is part of Jesus’ prayer of thanksgiving, where He acknowledges God’s wisdom and ways as superior to human understanding.

 

[Job 33:6]

It's important to remember that chapter and verse divisions were not originally in the bible, but were added much later as an aid to referencing particular parts of the bible. So there was no "Chapter 1" and "Chapter 2" when Genesis was first written. I think chapter divisions were added in the early 13th century A.D., and verses in the 16th century. As for your question about one account, why should it not be, as the post to which you were replying said, that what we now call Genesis 2 deals in more detail with what has already been recorded in the previous chapter, rather than a separate account?

Genesis 2 is a separate account. For example, in Genesis 1, Adam and Eve are created on day 6 after animals. Whereas in Genesis 2, Adam comes first, Adam names all the animals, he is lonely and could not find a helper, then Eve is created after the animals were named.

The orders of creation are different.

What some might say: "well, day 6 is talking about the human soul, not their physical bodies".

Um, no. Genesis 1 uses the same Hebrew terms for creation throughout the chapter. Unless you think that when God made the animals and the stars in Genesis 1, that it was also just talking about spirits and souls, and isn't about physical bodies, this response is illogical.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Matthew 11:25-26, Jesus breaks into prayer, saying, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.” This statement is part of Jesus’ prayer of thanksgiving, where He acknowledges God’s wisdom and ways as superior to human understanding.

Sure. I get it. But you're just throwing this verse out there without any clear application. Do you want me to throw Scripture back at you so you and I can play theological ping-pong?

I'm sure you don't.

You need to wake up and stop being condescending. See? I don't deprecate your faith in Christ; I EXPECT the same respect in return from YOU.