Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

No, just a day at the (human) zoo.

Is that where you go to shelter yourself from Christianity?

The zoo is your church, isn't it?

 

[driewerf]

Tell me, are you one of those who joke about angels dancing on the head of a pin?

It depends. That kind of questions was meaningful in the framework of scholasticism. But is since recently a little bit out of fashion.
Recently being the last 800 years or so.

 

[AV1611VET]

It depends. That kind of questions was meaningful in the framework of scholasticism. But is since recently a little bit out of fashion.
Recently being the last 800 years or so.

It's still an effective example of how someone can joke about something, then end up being confused.

People joke about angels dancing on the head of a pin; then, when someone blames the craters on the moon to a cosmic battle in space, they go 404.

 

[doubtingmerle]

A fallen angel could have scratched his name with one of those overnight.

If a fallen angel can make scratch marks on a rock, can it make scratch marks on the paper on which your Bible was written? If so, then even if the original copy was perfect, you might actually be reading the scratch marks of fallen angels.

If the "a billion angels did it" hypothesis is correct, who would ever know what else those angels did?

 

[AV1611VET]

If a fallen angel can make scratch marks on a rock, can it make scratch marks on the paper on which your Bible was written?

No.

If so, then even if the original copy was perfect, you might actually be reading the scratch marks of fallen angels.

I can't reply to this w/o violating the rules.

If the "a billion angels did it" hypothesis is correct, who would ever know what else those angels did?

Have you seen the craters on the moon? the earth? elsewhere?

 

[doubtingmerle]

No.



I can't reply to this w/o violating the rules.



Have you seen the craters on the moon? the earth? elsewhere?

Angels can make craters on planets but they can't make scratch marks on paper? How do you know that?

Obviously you are just making this stuff up. There is no way you would know that what you just said was true.

If angels made scratch marks on your copy of the Bible, then, even if the original copy was perfect, you might actually be reading the scratch marks of fallen angels. That is obviously true. What rule would you be violating if you responded?

 

[AV1611VET]

Angels can make craters on planets but they can't make scratch marks on paper? How do you know that?

If by scratch marks, you mean errors in God's translation sequence ("noise on the line"), then NO.

Angels cannot make "scratch marks" on the KJB.

Obviously you are just making this stuff up.

And you aren't?

Would you clarify, please, what you mean by "scratch marks"?

There is no way you would know that what you just said was true.

Would you know it if it was?

If angels made scratch marks on your copy of the Bible, then, even if the original copy was perfect, you might actually be reading the scratch marks of fallen angels.

Again, if you're talking about errors in translation, what does that have to do with moving glaciers?

That is obviously true. What rule would you be violating if you responded?

Rules about respecting other translations of the Bible -- like the NIV.

 

[doubtingmerle]

If by scratch marks, you mean errors in God's translation sequence ("noise on the line"), then NO.

Angels cannot make "scratch marks" on the KJB.

You continue to posit angels that arrange the fossils in the rocks, but refuse to allow that those same angels might have made changes in manuscripts. Why not? Angels that are powerful enough to move rocks can move ink on the paper. If angels can plant trillions of fossils in the ground, complete with imprints of embedded raindrops, animal burrows, nests, and footprints, and if all of this can look so realistic that science is fooled into thinking that all of this is real, how can you then posit that those angels are too weak to move ink on a manuscript?

For the sake of argument, let's assume that these powerful angels exist. I don't think they do, but if they do, then we need to ask what else those angels have manipulated. Have they manipulated scientific experiments? Have they manipulated our senses, such that we thought we have been observing a universe, but it doesn't even exist? Have they manipulated the letters on the pages of the KJV, such that the original KJV had a different arrangement of words on the paper? Have they manipulated the photons leaving the pages of the KJV, such that the image falling on your retina does not match what is on the page? Have they manipulated your posts, such that you are actually writing "pseudoscience can take a hike", but those pesky angels have changed the bits, and we read you saying, "science can take a hike"?

If you posit these angels, then you have eliminated any possibility of understanding the universe or even the Bible.

You have cut off the branch you are sitting on. Have a nice fall.

 

[AV1611VET]

You continue to posit angels that arrange the fossils in the rocks,

Show me just one post where I even hinted angels did that.

Ramp up your level of understanding, Merle, or I'm going to terminate this discussion.

You consistently misquote and misunderstand what I say.

And you even confuse others with what I think.

But for now, show me one single post where I ever even hinted that angels arranged fossils in rocks.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Show me just one post where I even hinted angels did that.

Here:

Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

Your myopic equipment can't even tell you what The Bloop is on the ocean floor. Myopic equipment sees still more than blind faith.

www.christianforums.com

And here:

Flood Geology

I am not sure why, "Jesus walking on water" gets "in the way of science". There are all manner of creatures that walk on water, including humanity. Most of the times it simply involves surface tension, and displacement. During a raging storm?

www.christianforums.com

 

[AV1611VET]

Here:

Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

Your myopic equipment can't even tell you what The Bloop is on the ocean floor. Myopic equipment sees still more than blind faith.

www.christianforums.com

And here:

Flood Geology

I am not sure why, "Jesus walking on water" gets "in the way of science". There are all manner of creatures that walk on water, including humanity. Most of the times it simply involves surface tension, and displacement. During a raging storm?

www.christianforums.com

Are you okay?

 

[Bobber]

It's the physical structure of the earth itself with plate tectonics, the types of rocks formed by melting, cooling, eroding, deforming and such, mountain building process and the list goes on that tell the story of a very old earth.

First I believe in a young earth but have no problem with accepting it could be an old earth

Doesn't matter to me. Doesn't change my FAITH.

But if one is believing in an Old Earth based on a law of uniformity that all things that have taken place have been the way they've always done so that can be a rubber ruler you're using.

 

[doubtingmerle]

Are you okay?

I'm fine, thanks. And you?

 

[dlamberth]

But if one is believing in an Old Earth based on a law of uniformity that all things that have taken place have been the way they've always done so that can be a rubber ruler you're using.

I go with an Old Earth because that's what the Earth, (God's Creation) is showing us. God can't lie, so neither can the Earth as it is of God.
also in the geological studies of the Pacific Northwest, where I live, there's no way all of the Earth changing events could have happened in a 6000 year time frame.

 

[AV1611VET]

God can't lie, so neither can the Earth as it is of God.

Are we "of God" too?

If so, can we lie?

 

[dlamberth]

Are we "of God" too?

If so, can we lie?

Yes, we can lie. But Our soul is of God and it can not lie.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, we can lie. But Our soul is of God and it can not lie.

The earth doesn't have a soul.

And for the record:

Ezekiel 18:20a The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[dlamberth]

The earth doesn't have a soul.

No. But it is a creation of God.

And for the record:

Ezekiel 18:20a The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

I'm thinking of the blessings from God that I experience as I hold my completely innocent new born grand-children. Maybe for the record I should instead not do that as they are sinners?

We're hitting on one of the main reasons for why I reject Christian beliefs.

 

[dlamberth]

No. But it is a creation of God.

I'm thinking of the blessings from God that I experience as I hold my completely innocent new born grand-children. Maybe for the record I should instead not do that as they are sinners?

We're hitting on one of the main reasons for why I reject Christian beliefs.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm thinking of the blessings from God that I experience as I hold my completely innocent new born grand-children.

That's nice.

I get a blessing too, when I hug my wife or pet my cat.

That doesn't mean they can't lie.

Maybe for the record I should instead not do that as they are sinners?

Sinners need hugs.

We're hitting on one of the main reasons for why I reject Christian beliefs.

You have no idea what you're rejecting.