Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You are ok with that absurdity?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have invented it.

 

[dlamberth]

You are ok with that absurdity?

It's AV's way of reconciling the truth that there is no physical evidence of a Noah's flood with the Bible's story of said flood.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have invented it.

Yesterday at 8:26 am I made the following resolution: Not to indulge in nonsensical discussions with people who refuse to be rational.

I came close to breaking it already. But isn't gonna happen

 

[AV1611VET]

I found a rock and measured it. It is only a few thousand years old. Never could find one over a million years old.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yesterday at 8:26 am I made the following resolution: Not to indulge in nonsensical discussions with people who refuse to be rational.

Better get rid of that avatar of yours then.

Jesus (and Peter) really did walk on water!

 

[Ophiolite]

Yesterday at 8:26 am I made the following resolution: Not to indulge in nonsensical discussions with people who refuse to be rational.

I came close to breaking it already. But isn't gonna happen

It is an honourable goal. I wish you success with your efforts. Sadly, I lack the character to reach for such a goal. My substitute is to disappear from the forum for weeks, or months at a time.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is an honourable goal. I wish you success with your efforts. Sadly, I lack the character to reach for such a goal. My substitute is to disappear from the forum for weeks, or months at a time.

Learning can be a drag at times, can't it?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It is an honourable goal. I wish you success with your efforts. Sadly, I lack the character to reach for such a goal. My substitute is to disappear from the forum for weeks, or months at a time.

That sounds healthy.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Where do dinosaurs and other prehistoric fauna and flora, both before and after the dinosaurs came and went, fit in to the embedded age of the Earth? Were they around when Adam and Eve were in the Garden, or when Noah was getting the Ark together? Why make their fossils and fossilized remains be in rocks that are dated, at the oldest, from 3.5 billion years old, to within the last ten millennia?

 

[AV1611VET]

Where do dinosaurs and other prehistoric fauna and flora, both before and after the dinosaurs came and went, fit in to the embedded age of the Earth? Were they around when Adam and Eve were in the Garden, or when Noah was getting the Ark together? Why make their fossils and fossilized remains be in rocks that are dated, at the oldest, from 3.5 billion years old, to within the last ten millennia?

Let's take T Rex for an example.

God created T Rex on the fifth day.

T Rex boarded the Ark.

After the Flood, T Rex eventually went extinct.

If the Flood pulverized 3.5 billion year old rocks into sediment; and if T Rex remains were entrapped in that sediment; and then the sediment solidified; then yes, you would find their fossilized remains in rocks that are dated 3.5 billion years.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Let's take T Rex for an example.

So a period of 2.4 million years right at the end of the Cretaceous period.

God created T Rex on the fifth day.

Genesis 1:20 - 23:
And God said: 'Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let fowl fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.' 21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.' 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

I think you might have meant Sixth day since Tyrannosaurus was definitely a creature of the land, not of either the air or sea.

T Rex boarded the Ark.

Okay.

After the Flood, T Rex eventually went extinct.

Okay, even though Tyrannosaurus would have had more than ample carrion to feast on and would have actually probably been a good tool for clean up duty. Like a living vacuum cleaner but for meat.

If the Flood pulverized 3.5 billion year old rocks into sediment; and if T Rex remains were entrapped in that sediment; and then the sediment solidified; then yes, you would find their fossilized remains in rocks that are dated 3.5 billion years.

But the rock wouldn't have been 3.5 billion years old. It would have had an embedded age, i.e. a fake non-real age of 3.5 billion, when it would have only about 2000 years old.

So again, we get to the nub of the whole problem with your embedded age schtick... does the salvation of your soul really depend on you saying that the Earth, universe and everything that ever existed was created 6000 years ago on some time in late October (why October of all months? Why would God even start that late in the year? Why not just do January 1st?) but did with an embedded and fake, non-real age of tens of billions for no other reason than some guy in Guam says that God did so?

 

[AV1611VET]

So a period of 2.4 million years right at the end of the Cretaceous period.



Genesis 1:20 - 23:
And God said: 'Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let fowl fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.' 21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that creepeth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after its kind, and every winged fowl after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying: 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.' 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

I think you might have meant Sixth day since Tyrannosaurus was definitely a creature of the land, not of either the air or sea.



Okay.



Okay, even though Tyrannosaurus would have had more than ample carrion to feast on and would have actually probably been a good tool for clean up duty. Like a living vacuum cleaner but for meat.



But the rock wouldn't have been 3.5 billion years old. It would have had an embedded age, i.e. a fake non-real age of 3.5 billion, when it would have only about 2000 years old.

So again, we get to the nub of the whole problem with your embedded age schtick... does the salvation of your soul really depend on you saying that the Earth, universe and everything that ever existed was created 6000 years ago on some time in late October (why October of all months? Why would God even start that late in the year? Why not just do January 1st?) but did with an embedded and fake, non-real age of tens of billions for no other reason than some guy in Guam says that God did so?

Hold those thoughts, Warden, and I'll address this later.

And thanks for the correction.

Yes, it was the sixth day.

That's what I get for not looking it up first!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Hold those thoughts, Warden, and I'll address this later.

And thanks for the correction.

Yes, it was the sixth day.

That's what I get for don't looking it up first!

I await with bated breath...

 

[dlamberth]

Let's take T Rex for an example.

God created T Rex on the fifth day.

T Rex boarded the Ark.

After the Flood, T Rex eventually went extinct.

I understand this is not addressing the thread subject, but this has been on my mind and I apologize, but I'm taking the opportunity to make this comment.

If 99% of all species that have ever existed on Earth are now extinct...and that's a lot of different kinds of life forms, I see no way that they all could have physically fit into the Ark. And a 99% mass extinction of all species right after the flood would have created a huge pile of bones that in no way would have looked like what we are actually seeing in the Earth today.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I understand this is not addressing the thread subject, but this has been on my mind and I apologize, but I'm taking the opportunity to make this comment.

If 99% of all species that have ever existed on Earth are now extinct...and that's a lot of different kinds of life forms, I see no way that they all could have physically fit into the Ark. And a 99% mass extinction of all species right after the flood would have created a huge pile of bones that in no way would have looked like what we are actually seeing in the Earth today.

The Ark was like the TARDIS: infinitely massive in size inside, finite outside.

 

[AV1611VET]

So a period of 2.4 million years right at the end of the Cretaceous period.

However you guys split up your ultra-long history.

I say it was during the sixth day of creation in 4004 BC.

I think you might have meant Sixth day since Tyrannosaurus was definitely a creature of the land, not of either the air or sea.

Yes -- thank you for the correction.

Okay, even though Tyrannosaurus would have had more than ample carrion to feast on and would have actually probably been a good tool for clean up duty. Like a living vacuum cleaner but for meat.

Okay.

But their species didn't live forever.

They went extinct after a few hundred years.

But the rock wouldn't have been 3.5 billion years old.

Yes it would.

If it was 3.5 billion years old before the Flood, it would be 3.5 billion years old after the Flood.

It would have had an embedded age, i.e. a fake non-real age of 3.5 billion, when it would have only about 2000 years old.

Embedded age IS real age.

Can God make a dress tomorrow, so old it falls apart with age?

I say He can.

What say you?

So again, we get to the nub of the whole problem with your embedded age schtick... does the salvation of your soul really depend on you saying that the Earth, universe and everything that ever existed was created 6000 years ago on some time in late October ...

No, of course not.

(why October of all months? Why would God even start that late in the year? Why not just do January 1st?)

Creator's choice.

And for the record, if He did, would that make a difference to you?

... but did with an embedded and fake, non-real age of tens of billions for no other reason than some guy in Guam says that God did so?

Here we go again.

You still don't have a clue as to what embedded age is, do you?

Embedded age is "maturity without history."

 

[AV1611VET]

If 99% of all species that have ever existed on Earth are now extinct...and that's a lot of different kinds of life forms, I see no way that they all could have physically fit into the Ark.

The Ark was like the TARDIS: infinitely massive in size inside, finite outside.

Warden is correct.

In simple terms, the Ark was bigger on the inside than it was on the outside.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

However you guys split up your ultra-long history.

I say it was during the sixth day of creation in 4004 BC.

Only in your imagination.

Okay.

But their species didn't live forever.

They went extinct after a few hundred years.

Only in your imagination.

Yes it would.

If it was 3.5 billion years old before the Flood, it would be 3.5 billion years old after the Flood.

Only in your imagination.

Embedded age IS real age.

Can God make a dress tomorrow, so old it falls apart with age?

I say He can.

What say you?

But we're not talking about a dress, or a loaf of raisin bread, or a canoe. We're talking about the Earth. The thing we all live on and the thing many of us study for either fun or for actual work.

No, of course not.

So why is it so important to you as an idea?

Creator's choice.

And for the record, if He did, would that make a difference to you?

Actually, it's Bishop James Ussher's choice. So we have another example of man forcing God into a box of their own creating.

Here we go again.

You still don't have a clue as to what embedded age is, do you?

Embedded age is "maturity without history."

Embedded age is maturity without any maturity. It's not true maturity since it's been forced into it. It's fake.

You can say we don't know what we're talking about until you're blue in the face, but it's a simple fact that your idea of embedded history, of God putting 14.5 billion years of history into a universe and world that has only existed for 6000 years, without any of that history having happened means that it is fake history. And you've not once given me or any others any reason to see it is anything but fake history.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Embedded age is maturity without any maturity. It's not true maturity since it's been forced into it. It's fake.

You can say we don't know what we're talking about until you're blue in the face, but it's a simple fact that your idea of embedded history, of God putting 14.5 billion years of history into a universe and world that has only existed for 6000 years, without any of that history having happened means that it is fake history. And you've not once given me or any others any reason to see it is anything but fake history.

This is probably the best formulation of the counter retort to "embedded age" and related excuses I've seen. Well done.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can say we don't know what we're talking about until you're blue in the face, but it's a simple fact that your idea of embedded history, of God putting 14.5 billion years of history into a universe and world that has only existed for 6000 years, without any of that history having happened means that it is fake history. And you've not once given me or any others any reason to see it is anything but fake history.

You still can't get it right, can you, chief?

It's EMBEDDED AGE, not embedded history.

And if you think my explanation about fossils embedded in 3.5 billion year old rock is "only in my imagination," then test it yourself.

Take a 3.5 billion year old rock, pulverize it down to sediment, put a dog's skeleton in it, let the sediment lithify, then tell me how old that dog's skeleton is.

Or can science take a hike?