Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Ace777]

But it wouldn't change the fact that the rewritten history NEVER HAPPENED, would it?

It never happened that history was rewritten. What about revisionism?

 

[AV1611VET]

You never addressed the question of a very rapid history. The first Galaxy did not just appear. It expanded from the size of a grain of sand to the size of a Galaxy in a blink of an eye. According to science, but you do not accept Science so it must not be true. You can not get something from something. You have to get somthing from nothing. Even though there is no evidence that nothing has ever existed.

God said He created the universe, then stretched (past tense) it out.

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

But according to science, the universe is still expanding.

But note, according to science it is EXPANDING.

This means that it is moving outward FROM THE INSIDE.

That is, being PUSHED outward.

Yet "stretching" occurs when the outer ends are held and PULLED outward.

So how can we depict the universe as both STRETCHED and EXPANDING at the same time?

Simple.

The universe has two "edges".

Its physical edge, and its "cosmological horizon."

To illustrate this, picture a balloon with a fully-created universe inside of it, wound tighter than a drum.

Now, balloon the balloon out to 95 billion light years in a split second by pulling on it from all directions at once.

The physical edge of the balloon has now been stretched, and is stationary.

While the universe inside of it is now expanding to fill in the volume of space created by the stretching.

That, in my opinion, is how God did it.

We see the universe expanding towards the boundary that is stationary.

Neat, huh?

 

[Ace777]

That is, being PUSHED outward.

So you think you understand gravity better then Newton or Einstein. Good luck trying to convince anyone of that. God Himself, in a dream personally showed me that the universe is expanding but at some point in the future it will all shrink and come back together again. So the universe can expand, or the universe can shrink or contract. It does not freeze or stop because it is dynamic system and in motion. In the same way He is not finished with us. We are a work in progress. Although Jesus finished His work at Carvery, He still has work to do in and through us.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you think you understand gravity better then Newton or Einstein.

Nope.

Not at all.

Off the top of my head: Gravity = gm1m2/r²

Good luck trying to convince anyone of that.

What does gravity have to do with the universe expanding?

God Himself, in a dream personally showed me that the universe is expanding ...

I concur that the universe is expanding.

Towards a set point.

 

[Ace777]

What does gravity have to do with the universe expanding?

I can give you the simple answer or go into more detail if you want. Gravity initially slowed the expansion, but Dark Energy now dominates, pushing galaxies apart. The balance between these forces determines whether the universe expands or contracts2

 

[AV1611VET]

I can give you the simple answer or go into more detail if you want. Gravity initially slowed the expansion, but Dark Energy now dominates, pushing galaxies apart.

Sounds good.

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, I'm game.

 

[Ace777]

I concur that the universe is expanding.

Towards a set point.

The perfect day is still in the future. After the Kingdom Age, the 1,000 year reign of Christ there will be new heaven and new earth.

Revelation 21 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

The new Jerusalem will be 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles. The size of the Arab continental plate.

 

[AV1611VET]

The perfect day is still in the future.

Amen!

After the Kingdom Age, the 1,000 year reign of Christ there will be new heaven and new earth.

Indeed!

Revelation 21 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

The new Jerusalem will be 1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles.

Yup!

 

[Ace777]

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, I'm game.

The Bible does not contradict itself and Science does not contradict the Bible. People try but they fail to show any contradictions. Some people say the best way to prove the Bible is true is to try and show that it is not true. The Bible like DNA is self correcting. God watches over His word to perform what He said He is doing. Jeremiah 1:12 That is why He can declare the end from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:​

God is not yet done, He is not finished. Jesus finished His work at Calvary but He is still doing His work in us.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible does not contradict itself and Science does not contradict the Bible.

Indeed.

Here are the standards I use:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

People try but they fail to show any contradictions.

Yes, indeed.

Some people say the best way to prove the Bible is true is to try and show that it is not true.

The Bible like DNA is self correcting.

There's nothing to correct.

God wrote It right the first time.

God watches over His word to perform what He said He is doing.

God is not yet done, He is not finished.

Right.

Of the 333 prophecies concerning Jesus, He fulfilled 109 of them.

That means He still has 224 more to go!

Jesus finished His work at Calvary but He is still doing His work in us.

Yup.

 

[Ace777]

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, I'm game.

Science does not contradict the Bible. They have tried and failed to show any contradictions.

 

[Astrophile]

You never addressed the question of a very rapid history. The first Galaxy did not just appear. It expanded from the size of a grain of sand to the size of a Galaxy in a blink of an eye.

You mean the universe, not the first galaxy.

 

[Astrophile]

The Bible does not contradict itself and Science does not contradict the Bible.

The creation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other, and neither is in agreement with the scientific account of the origin of the universe and its contents.

 

[dlamberth]

Science does not contradict the Bible. They have tried and failed to show any contradictions.

When it comes to those ancient middle-eastern creation stories that have made it into the Bible, a person has to do all sorts of mental gyrations in order to not have contradictions with science. On the physical plane, what this Creation is showing us, and what the Bible is saying just do not match up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science does not contradict the Bible. They have tried and failed to show any contradictions.

Well ... there's science ... then there's science.

If you know what I mean.

 

[AV1611VET]

The creation stories in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other,

No, they don't.

... and neither is in agreement with the scientific account of the origin of the universe and its contents.

Ya.

Big surprise.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

As long as it doesn't contradict the Bible, I'm game.

And by that you mean a strictly literal interpretation of texts that beg a very different appreciation.

 

[AV1611VET]

When it comes to those ancient middle-eastern creation stories that have made it into the Bible,

What do you mean by "have made it into the Bible"?

You mean God just sat back and allowed it to happen?

God is not a deist.

... a person has to do all sorts of mental gyrations in order to not have contradictions with science.

Ya.

Here are the "mental gyrations" I use ...

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

On the physical plane, what this Creation is showing us, and what the Bible is saying just do not match up.

This "physical plane" you're talking about has been in a fallen state since 4004 BC, and nowhere matches what it was just after the Creation Week.

 

[AV1611VET]

And by that you mean a strictly literal interpretation of texts that beg a very different appreciation.

Why is it academians have to always put an adjective before the word "interpretation;" as if to say those who believe it are going overboard?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Why is it academians have to always put an adjective before the word "interpretation;" as if to say those who believe it are going overboard?

Because it is more accurate. Many scripture texts require a more careful discernment.