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Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

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Your making a bad joke out of a really important spiritual truth of a person in Christ where BCP wrote "whose life reflected the truth of the words he spoke".

I don't consider Shoko Asahara a "bad joke."

Shoko Asahara wanted to express his faith, which he considered "supreme truth" (Aum Shinrikyo), with more than lip service.

And he put "feet to his prayers."

Unfortunately, his object of worship was Shiva, the god of destruction.

And to use BCP's words, his life reflected the truth of the words he spoke.

Shoka Asahara was the first person who came to mind when I read BCPs post.
 
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I'm not making any claims about what the Bible says. You are.
You do realize you're arguing with a guy who thinks Adam and Eve spoke Elizabethan English, right?

I'm not saying that as a knock on him, but it has to be kept in mind when trying to engage in reasonable discussion. it's like trying to drain the ocean with a thimble.
 
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So it does. My faith came from hearing the word of God spoken by a person I trusted and whose life reflected the truth of the words he spoke. That is the only way their truth can be demonstrated. The Bible is just lecture notes. By itself it doesn't prove anything.
The Bible isn't just lecture notes. It's the sword of the Spirit, the food for the spiritually hungry. Getting caught up in notions of "proof" is a distraction, especially since as Christian's we're supposed to boast of our faith and the foolishness of preaching, not on philosophy and knowledge. Let those who boast of knowledge prove what they claim, as we humbly go on trusting God for His wisdom that often looks like foolishness to the world.
 
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You do realize you're arguing with a guy who thinks Adam and Eve spoke Elizabethan English, right?

I'm not saying that as a knock on him, but it has to be kept in mind when trying to engage in reasonable discussion. it's like trying to drain the ocean with a thimble.

Do you remember saying this?

I have been a believer since 2011 and am passionate about theology as a means of showing love for God by exercising the capacities He has given us to discover His character through the Word.

Do you still mean that?
 
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Your making a bad joke out of a really important spiritual truth of a person in Christ where BCP wrote "whose life reflected the truth of the words he spoke".
It's OK. AV just has a really weird sense of humor.
 
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Yes, though when I speak of the Word of God I'm not reducing it to any particular text.

How are you sanctified then?

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
 
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Is that what dispensation theology does?
It's what you seem to do with it.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 ¶ And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27a So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;


Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶ And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


Genesis 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
I see you only quoted HALF of Genesis 1:27.

Why is that, AV?

Is it because the next part specified that God was created both male AND female at the same time?

Why are you cherry picking, AV? Why do you have to leave some parts out? Is it because they don't fit in with your preconceived ideas?

I guess Genesis 1:27b can take a hike, huh?
Which one is this?

2 Corinthians 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
A literary technique, the same one Dickens used when he said it was the best of times and the worst of times.
 
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That's not what you presented.
I presented them as being things that different religions can point to and say, "See this thing here? It proves <<insert religion here>> is correct!"
Interpreting the Bible is a secondary issue
You think getting the right message from the Bible is secondary?
, and the contradictions are easily resolved.
If you're allowed generous quantities of handwavium, sure.
I'm going to bow out at this point, because it's really pointless debating/discussing someone who insists on continuing using fallacies that have been identified, especially when they've made it clear they're content justifying their position with circular reasoning. Ciao.
Okay, buh bye!
 
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You think getting the right message from the Bible is secondary?
Getting the right message doesn't require much if any interpretation. Naling down the nitty gritty doctrinal positions is secondary through interpretation is secondary, though.
 
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Getting the right message doesn't require much if any interpretation. Naling down the nitty gritty doctrinal positions is secondary through interpretation is secondary, though.

That's what we have churches and helps for.
 
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That's what we have churches and helps for.
The question then seems to be why don't they all help, rather some number instead confuse and cloud the truth and try to completely distract from truth, as if to avoid and oppose Jesus ?
 
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That's what we have churches and helps for.
Many of which tend to cloud the issue rather than clarifying by insisting on some set of interpretive positions unique to the movement/church as being essentials of the faith. Too few are determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.
 
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The question then seems to be why don't they all help,

They do.

Or should, anyway.

... rather some number instead confuse and cloud the truth and try to completely distract from truth, as if to avoid and oppose Jesus ?

I'm sorry.

I don't understand what you just said here.
 
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Many of which tend to cloud the issue rather than clarifying ...

How can you cloud an issue, if you don't understand the issue in the first place?

Are you saying a new convert may read a passage of Scripture, not understand it, get a book about it and read it, and become worse off?

I'll admit that some books do tend to leave the reader scratching his head.

I've "been there, done that" many times.

But being in the same church for 42 years now has helped tremendously.
 
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How can you cloud an issue, if you don't understand the issue in the first place?
Carnal men cannot understand spirituals. If they get a book by another carnal, they can easily be like the blind following the blind falling into the same pit.
 
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