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Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.How so?
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Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.How so?
You mean, as opposed to Paul, who, after getting saved, went to Arabia and was personally tutored by Jesus Christ?Yes, you said that already. I'm asking if that "maturity" included an embedded education.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Yup.The Bible doesn't say, exactly, but it implies that they did just not in the sense of experience.
You mean, as opposed to Paul, who, after getting saved, went to Arabia and was personally tutored by Jesus Christ?
You don't do that with any of your classes?Hooray for self-interest... the Bible orders its readers to respect it; its readers dutifully obey.
You don't do that will any of your classes?
I suppose so.yes or no will do.
Sorry.Can you try again, with grammar this time?
The Bible doesn't say, exactly, but it implies that they did just not in the sense of experience. When the Bible says to "know" something it means in the sense of experience. Many places it will say something to the effect of, So and so didn't "know" his wife before he died...etc. Obviously Adam and Eve had mental understanding that to die was an evil thing, and also to disobey God was an evil thing. In 2:17 God warned the Adam that if he eats of the tree he will die. He obviously must have understood that this was something bad or evil. In 3:5 Satan capitalized on this and implied that Adam and Eve's eyes were not open to good and evil, but just because he said they weren't doesn't mean they had no understanding of it at all. It only means they had not yet experienced the sting of it.
Right. So, Adam and Eve did or didn't die? The Bible doesn't say whether they died and went to hell, but I imagine that happened at some point? Why wouldn't that be noted, the first people ever to exist passing away and going to hell?Because knowing good from evil isn't a guarantee that you'll always choose good.
Just ask any alcoholic.
Even my pastor doesn't know where they went.Right. So, Adam and Eve did or didn't die? The Bible doesn't say whether they died and went to hell, but I imagine that happened at some point? Why wouldn't that be noted, the first people ever to exist passing away and going to hell?
Then you go against your Bible or God, one or the other is wrong...Even my pastor doesn't know where they went.
But for the record, couldn't they have repented and gotten saved like everyone else?
Was eating the forbidden fruit their unpardonable sin?
I doubt it.
Nope.Now, "thou shalt surely die" would seem to indicate to me that God was quite adamant it was a permanent condition,
Okay, God was wrong to say they "shalt surely die" then, because they didn't. He must be a liar, is that what you're saying?Nope.
Adam live for 930 years and could have repented any time.
I'm not going to dignify this with a response.Okay, God was wrong to say they "shalt surely die" then, because they didn't. He must be a liar, is that what you're saying?
.....Okay, well I'm confused. What's your plain reading literal interpretation of what's going on here then, because it isn't matching up. How does someone "surely die" in some way (I don't care whether spiritually or physically), then not die after all without that statement being wrong?I'm not going to dignify this with a response.
It's really very simple:.....Okay, well I'm confused. What's your plain reading literal interpretation of what's going on here then, because it isn't matching up.
.....so they didn't "surely die" after all then, did they.It's really very simple:
Adam & Eve ate of the Forbidden Fruit and [surely] died spiritually.
Then God gave them the plan of salvation (a.k.a., the Protevangelium; or what we call the Gospel).
I'm sure they would have responded to it accordingly.
Doesn't make any difference; it's a question of style elements.I fear that those who have trouble here do so because they want to. The original books didn't have chapter divisions so there was no chapter one and then chapter two.
No, it woudn't. It was written in Hebrew. And of course it was one "parchment" after the two stories were edited together.There was only one parchment containing the entire book. It would have read like this:
I suppose so.
The word "educated" always gives me red flags; but I'll go with YES and see where it leads.