Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[Mainframes]

You cannot state that the record of Scripture is inferior or inadmissible. It is the best man has by far. God does not use any other. If you self lobotomize Scripture from what you chose to allow your little brain to accept, you will be left with precious little, and an inability to know what is true or false within that debris field of confused and garbled info circling around in a godless orbit in your head!

There are consequences for man when he leans on his own understanding.

What predictions are made that came true.....?

 

[dad]

What predictions are made that came true.....?

All except the ones for the future. Most of the prophesies in the bible are now history.

 

[dad]

Things that have been predicted:

1. Ratios of different isotope pairs produce consilient dates using modern decay rates.

How do you check these 'dates' are right? You can't simply declare that all daughter material was made in this state. What you seem to be saying is that "IF we assign great time to ratios, we can do this with more than just one type of isotope, so that little circular reasoning means consilient dates!!! You sure better have more than that!!

2. Presence and absence of nuclides based on their source and half life.

So you expect us to believe that stuff that is not there proves your case?? Insane. Can you even prove it was ever there? If you could do that, could you prove how much was there if any? You have not BEGUN to present a case. Cut the religious drool and get to it.

Both of those are accurate predictions. Therefore, they are evidence for a same state past.

Missing stuff that you cannot prove was there at all is proof of...nothing!! Having isotopes in a pattern of more (what is now) parent material proves nothing either of course, except that there is more of that stuff in creation.

As shown, your interpretation of the Bible can not explain the observations. You are wrong.

You are blabbering. Creation explains why stuff is here, including parent or daughter stuff!!! YOU simply want to explain it strictly using current state forces and laws and no God. No can do. Thats a big gong for you.

Your map makes false predictions, therefore it is not accurate.

Good heavens, what is this imaginary map parable you keep alluding to as if it had the slightest merit!!?

Creation is not a map. Science is not a map. Life is not a map, get over this vague map thing.

My case is built on a rock. Your case is an incohesive conflation of godless blather.

 

[Kylie]

Person A claims a certain nature by faith alone, and models the past based on that. You are person A. Person B looks at what God said, and interprets evidence accordingly, rather than in the outrageous godless methodology and philosophical way that person A insists that we all must do for no reason.

Completely irrelevant. If you make a claim, you are required to provide support for it. If that support you provide does not withstand investigation and falls apart, don't be surprised when people laugh at you. You have provided absolutely no support for your claims.

Nonsense. We all have evidences, so called science merely assaults them with it's antichrist zombie belief system of death.

Yeah, you don't even know what evidence is, since you think anecdote and myth counts.

Must be tough having that sort of undefined mental anguish I guess. Probably such tormented thoughts would be caused by them being locked into a cultish belief system, where they allow only certain evil interpretations of things. Hard to diagnose exactly when you are so vague.

No mental anguish here.

God's position is a record that is unchallenged by man and his wisdom. No one can run off and check out the future (or far past) as to whether it is like God says. Obviously. Why pretend?? You are in absolutely no position to claim He is wrong! All the models of science, such as the future cold dark dead universe are based on demonic inspiration, and self imposed info lobotomy!

God's position is an old book written by humans without any knowledge of how the universe works.

You have failed to name them! Top that!

I have named them. Radioactive dating, for instance. Your inability to recognise or remember the things which prove you wrong only supports the idea that you are suffering from extreme cognitive dissonance and just shut out the things that will make you reconsider your beliefs. Apparently that is a hard thing for some people to do.

How about you stop talking in vague circles?? Chose one side of your mouth, and go for it!

I've always been very clear.

God requires no human interpretation. He gave us stuff we could interpret out of love and mercy.

Whatever makes you happy, dad. You can believe whatever you want. Unfortunately, reality is not as accepting as I am.

I can see why you need to remain comically vague. Whatever you are specif about is easy to overthrow.

That's a laugh riot coming from you. You've never been specific about ANYTHING in this debate about a DSP. I challenge you to show me a single instance of you being specific about anything.

 

[Mainframes]

All except the ones for the future. Most of the prophesies in the bible are now history.

What predictions have come true? Give me some examples.

 

[Kylie]

What predictions have come true? Give me some examples.

<<Insert prophecy made in the Bible and also fulfilled in the Bible.>>

 

[Mainframes]

<<Insert prophecy made in the Bible and also fulfilled in the Bible.>>

Indeed.....

1.1 And so it shall come to pass that in one sentence time the words "Look what just happened!" will appear. And this will show the power and glory of Mainframes.

1.2 Look what just happened!

1.3 Lo and behold proof that Mainframes is all knowing and all powerful.

1.4 Thou shalt give Mainframes money and things.

 

[Kylie]

Indeed.....

1.1 And so it shall come to pass that in one sentence time the words "Look what just happened!" will appear. And this will show the power and glory of Mainframes.

1.2 Look what just happened!

1.3 Lo and behold proof that Mainframes is all knowing and all powerful.

1.4 Thou shalt give Mainframes money and things.

That's amazing.

Since you are all knowing, can you please tell me what tomorrow's lottery numbers will be?

 

[Mainframes]

That's amazing.

Since you are all knowing, can you please tell me what tomorrow's lottery numbers will be?

I didn't say I was kind and just. So.... No!

 

[dad]

Completely irrelevant. If you make a claim, you are required to provide support for it.

Do you claim that the laws and nature in the past was the same?? Do you model what the past was like based on that? By your own standards you are required to provide support for it.


Does God claim the future is different in Scripture? Yes. Can science attain support for that? No. Get off the high horse and deal with what man can or cannot do.


Does your child have a different face than you? Yes. We are all created unique. Our real inner self influences the physical body, and in fact probably determines what it is like to a very large extent.

Yet we have the igno prognostications of science that attribute our individuality and faces no less, to 'evolution'!!!! What a bunch of religionists.

"The amazing variety of human faces -- far greater than that of most other animals -- is the result of evolutionary pressure to make each of us unique and easily recognizable, according to a new study by University of California, Berkeley, scientists."

Human faces are so variable because we evolved to look unique -- ScienceDaily

How dare people offend the little ones with this sort of sordid Satanic speculation supposedly supported by science!!!!

If that support you provide does not withstand investigation and falls apart, don't be surprised when people laugh at you. You have provided absolutely no support for your claims.

Let's be clear, science cannot investigate anything in the future or anywhere out of our state and time and nature! Period. There IS no investigation to withstand.

God's position is an old book written by humans without any knowledge of how the universe works.

From your pagan and limited perspective that may be the case. So? If people don't seek, they don't find. Who needs a progress report of those that know not, sought not, and found not?

I have named them. Radioactive dating, for instance.

That is looking at the present laws and forces of this time and how they operate, and behave here, and projecting that into the unknown past or future. Nothing more whatsoever.

'Gee, duh..one day the stars will all go cold because of these things...blah blah'

That amounts to nothing more than false prophesy and that makes science predictions of that sort false prophesies by false prophets.

-- Kids...disbelieve these false prophets with all your heart and being.

I've always been very clear.

Simply referring to false prophests occasionally is hardly clear, it is nutso.

Whatever makes you happy, dad. You can believe whatever you want. Unfortunately, reality is not as accepting as I am.

Reality is not something you manufacture by keeping the Almighty creator out of some little circle.

That's a laugh riot coming from you. You've never been specific about ANYTHING in this debate about a DSP. I challenge you to show me a single instance of you being specific about anything.

You kidding!!!!!? I often cited differences recorded in the future and past by God. One example is fast plant growth in both the future city of God and new earth, as well as Eden, and the old world before and shortly after the flood.


Trees that grow in weeks or months for example. Science imagines any trees that grew in the far past did so in our nature. Here is an example from recent news.


"Blonder and his colleagues studied a total of about 1,000 fossilized plant leaves collected from a location in southern North Dakota, embedded in rock layers known as the Hell Creek Formation, which at the end of the Cretaceous was a lowland floodplain crisscrossed by river channels. The collection consists of more than 10,000 identified plant fossils and is housed primarily at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. "When you hold one of those leaves that is so exquisitely preserved in your hand knowing it's 66 million years old, it's a humbling feeling," said Blonder.



Our study provides evidence of a dramatic shift from slow-growing plants to fast-growing species,

"We measured the mass of a given leaf in relation to its area, which tells us whether the leaf was a chunky, expensive one to make for the plant, or whether it was a more flimsy, cheap one," Blonder explained. "In other words, how much carbon the plant had invested in the leaf."

Impact that doomed the dinosaurs helped the forests bloom -- ScienceDaily

What if the nature was different and all trees grew fast!!?? What if the leaf remains we see did not represent how much carbon was needed, as measured by the way things grow now....etc etc??!!

They are dreaming in technicolor.

 

[dad]

What predictions have come true? Give me some examples.

In cases where people have chosen to self lobotomize information from their little world and range of what they chose to accept, it would be fruitless to discuss history, or Scripture.

One might say John said such and such, and you might say..'there was no John, prove it, nyah nyah' One might refer to Daniel or Isaiah, and you might say, 'I don't accept that, they lived after the scholars claim they did, or not at all, or yada yada yada'.

When people heard Christ refer to Scripture, they never resorted to such depths of giddly delusionary denial. Often they just marveled and were awe struck, and could say nothing against it. One does not get to wave off history and ancient Scriptures, so carefully passed down, just because one mistakenly thought it was cool to do so.

 

[Kylie]

Do you claim that the laws and nature in the past was the same?? Do you model what the past was like based on that? By your own standards you are required to provide support for it.

Do you claim that the laws and nature in the past was different?? Do you model what the past was like based on that? By your own standards you are required to provide support for it.

Does God claim the future is different in Scripture? Yes. Can science attain support for that? No. Get off the high horse and deal with what man can or cannot do.

Big deal. Lots of books say that the future will be different. Aesop's fables says that animals used to be able to talk. Any fool can make a claim. Without evidence, such claims should not be believed. You keep making claims, but never provide evidence.

Does your child have a different face than you? Yes. We are all created unique. Our real inner self influences the physical body, and in fact probably determines what it is like to a very large extent.

Completely irrelevant.

Yet we have the igno prognostications of science that attribute our individuality and faces no less, to 'evolution'!!!! What a bunch of religionists.

And there is a ton of support and evidence for evolution. And again, evolution is not relevant to the topic at hand.

You will now, no doubt, dispute that claim, based on the fact that you do not know what evolution is nor how it works.

"The amazing variety of human faces -- far greater than that of most other animals -- is the result of evolutionary pressure to make each of us unique and easily recognizable, according to a new study by University of California, Berkeley, scientists."

Human faces are so variable because we evolved to look unique -- ScienceDaily

How dare people offend the little ones with this sort of sordid Satanic speculation supposedly supported by science!!!!

Why are you waffling on about something which the thread was not started for?

Let's be clear, science cannot investigate anything in the future or anywhere out of our state and time and nature! Period. There IS no investigation to withstand.

You still have not provided a single shred of evidence to support your claims.

From your pagan and limited perspective that may be the case. So? If people don't seek, they don't find. Who needs a progress report of those that know not, sought not, and found not?

Seek what? The truth? What kind of fool accepts something as truth just because it says it is the truth?

That is looking at the present laws and forces of this time and how they operate, and behave here, and projecting that into the unknown past or future. Nothing more whatsoever.

'Gee, duh..one day the stars will all go cold because of these things...blah blah'

That amounts to nothing more than false prophesy and that makes science predictions of that sort false prophesies by false prophets.

-- Kids...disbelieve these false prophets with all your heart and being.

And all you do is say, "Well, maybe they were different, and if they were different then they were different." You NEVER provide any rational reason to accept your claim that they were different.

Simply referring to false prophests occasionally is hardly clear, it is nutso.

When did I ever refer to a false "prophest"?

Reality is not something you manufacture by keeping the Almighty creator out of some little circle.

Reality is not something you learn about from an old book written by people who had no scientific knowledge at all.

Reality is something you learn about from reality itself (this may seem like a strange concept to you, but I assure you, it works).

You kidding!!!!!? I often cited differences recorded in the future and past by God. One example is fast plant growth in both the future city of God and new earth, as well as Eden, and the old world before and shortly after the flood.


Trees that grow in weeks or months for example. Science imagines any trees that grew in the far past did so in our nature. Here is an example from recent news.


"Blonder and his colleagues studied a total of about 1,000 fossilized plant leaves collected from a location in southern North Dakota, embedded in rock layers known as the Hell Creek Formation, which at the end of the Cretaceous was a lowland floodplain crisscrossed by river channels. The collection consists of more than 10,000 identified plant fossils and is housed primarily at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. "When you hold one of those leaves that is so exquisitely preserved in your hand knowing it's 66 million years old, it's a humbling feeling," said Blonder.



Our study provides evidence of a dramatic shift from slow-growing plants to fast-growing species,

"We measured the mass of a given leaf in relation to its area, which tells us whether the leaf was a chunky, expensive one to make for the plant, or whether it was a more flimsy, cheap one," Blonder explained. "In other words, how much carbon the plant had invested in the leaf."

Impact that doomed the dinosaurs helped the forests bloom -- ScienceDaily

What if the nature was different and all trees grew fast!!?? What if the leaf remains we see did not represent how much carbon was needed, as measured by the way things grow now....etc etc??!!

They are dreaming in technicolor.

Yeah, what you posted doesn't say what you think it says. Even today, bamboo, for example, has been measured growing four feet in a day. 10 Incredibly Fast Growing Trees &#038; Plants | Curiosity Aroused

 

[Kylie]

I didn't say I was kind and just. So.... No!

What have I done to displease thee? :o

 

[dad]

Do you claim that the laws and nature in the past was different?? Do you model what the past was like based on that? By your own standards you are required to provide support for it.



Big deal. Lots of books say that the future will be different. Aesop's fables says that animals used to be able to talk. Any fool can make a claim. Without evidence, such claims should not be believed. You keep making claims, but never provide evidence.

Aesop did not fulfill hundreds of Scriptures nor rise from the dead. He told tales. Get a grip.

And there is a ton of support and evidence for evolution. And again, evolution is not relevant to the topic at hand.

None for godless evolution.

Why are you waffling on about something which the thread was not started for?

Addressing issues of science and it's claims versus God's word is relevent. Especially when one ties it into the past such as was done with the trees. The example of the faces was a case in point on how science operates.

And all you do is say, "Well, maybe they were different, and if they were different then they were different." You NEVER provide any rational reason to accept your claim that they were different.

God created, and tweaked. You berated, and squeaked.

When did I ever refer to a false "prophest"?

Science predicts. The example of the dead cold universe they predict is an example of false prophesy.

Reality is not something you learn about from an old book written by people who had no scientific knowledge at all.

You wouldn't know.

Reality is something you learn about from reality itself (this may seem like a strange concept to you, but I assure you, it works).

Reality itself is not the little circle you draw to keep God and the spiritual and history and Scripture out.

Yeah, what you posted doesn't say what you think it says. Even today, bamboo, for example, has been measured growing four feet in a day. 10 Incredibly Fast Growing Trees & Plants | Curiosity Aroused

Irrelevant.There are many varieties of trees that they say were fast growing and many slow growing. That is all based on the present state growth. Focus.

 

[Mainframes]

In cases where people have chosen to self lobotomize information from their little world and range of what they chose to accept, it would be fruitless to discuss history, or Scripture.

One might say John said such and such, and you might say..'there was no John, prove it, nyah nyah' One might refer to Daniel or Isaiah, and you might say, 'I don't accept that, they lived after the scholars claim they did, or not at all, or yada yada yada'.

When people heard Christ refer to Scripture, they never resorted to such depths of giddly delusionary denial. Often they just marveled and were awe struck, and could say nothing against it. One does not get to wave off history and ancient Scriptures, so carefully passed down, just because one mistakenly thought it was cool to do so.

So you claim the bible has made successful predictions but are not willing to back up that claim with a simple request of examples.

You're either unwilling or unable. Both of which are pretty damning to your arguement. Unless you provide examples then you have conceded the point and the bible makes no predictions af any kind.

 

[Kylie]

Aesop did not fulfill hundreds of Scriptures nor rise from the dead. He told tales. Get a grip.


None for godless evolution.




Addressing issues of science and it's claims versus God's word is relevent. Especially when one ties it into the past such as was done with the trees. The example of the faces was a case in point on how science operates.



God created, and tweaked. You berated, and squeaked.

Science predicts. The example of the dead cold universe they predict is an example of false prophesy.

You wouldn't know.


Reality itself is not the little circle you draw to keep God and the spiritual and history and Scripture out.


Irrelevant.There are many varieties of trees that they say were fast growing and many slow growing. That is all based on the present state growth. Focus.

I suspect you are deep in denial...

 

[Mainframes]

What have I done to displease thee? :o

Nothing. I'm just mean...

 

[dad]

So you claim the bible has made successful predictions but are not willing to back up that claim with a simple request of examples.

There are millions of sites about fulfilled prophesies perhaps. They are far above needing your yay or nay!


Most of the prophesies are now history. Whether we talk about the destruction of Jerusalem, the captivity, the fall of Babylon, the virgin birth in Bethlehem, or etc etc etc etc etc.

It's in the bag. Done deal. Fait accompli. Finito. Signed sealed and delivered. We don't need every paranoid conspiracy theorist goat herder to agree.

 

[dad]

I suspect you are deep in denial...

We understand. In your mind there is probably something looming large that people denied. Seek help.

 

[Loudmouth]

There are millions of sites about fulfilled prophesies perhaps. They are far above needing your yay or nay!

The consilience between different isotope pairs and the presence or absence of specific nuclides are two areas where those prophecies failed, if you are insisting on a literal reading of Genesis.