Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[Loudmouth]

False. You have shown that you insist on accepting your beliefs for the unknowns.

I have shown that the knowns are exactly as they should be if there was a same state past.

Your self created circular 'consistencies' are a joke.

How are they circular?

No past produced the stuff in creation.

The evidence says otherwise.

Scripture stands. It stands in favor of a different future state...and a different far past. Your ignorance based biased guesses notwithstanding.

The only ignorance is yours. You STILL can't show us how the evidence is inconsistent with a same state past.

 

[dad]

Hypothetically speaking dad, if your prior state idea were disproven to your satisfaction, you no longer would consider it valid, do you fear it would negatively impact your faith?

My faith in my own ability to determine why God was right all along and science wrong--yes. Not my faith that Jesus has it covered regardless of whether we comprehend how or not.

 

[dad]

Before getting back and answering the latest Loudmouth post, where he regurgitates the repetitive restating of his faith based claims, let's look at an actual question. (email)

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Great explanation. Thank you.

Regarding fossil datings, I was referring to Lucy. They render her as a missing link between us and chimps. Well that is not true and never was. I have watched the video on National Geographic where the author by the name of Donald Johanson, the hip bone that was found, he tampered the evidence by using a power saw tool to make it more human. The hand and foot bones have been assumed to be straight, like ours, yet the few they've found are curved like a chimps.

Do you know or what you think distinguish humans from apes anatomy?

I don't think it matters if some monkey also evolved after the flood and got an eyebrow or bone somewhere that was needed for this new state they lived in. None of that means that any ape or any monkey was an ancestor. That is foolishness, and directly going against Jesus the Creator. That is the spirit of what they are from...trying to cast doubt on Jesus.

 

[Loudmouth]

My faith in my own ability to determine why God was right all along and science wrong--yes.

Once again, you confuse the bible for a god.

 

[dad]

I have shown that the knowns are exactly as they should be if there was a same state past.



How are they circular?




The evidence says otherwise.


The only ignorance is yours. You STILL can't show us how the evidence is inconsistent with a same state past.

Rather than spam posting, try comprehending what was written. I dealt with why your dogmatic doctrines are circular.

 

[dad]

Once again, you confuse the bible for a god.

Lurkers, notice the anti God spirit that permeates the posts of some defenders of the defeated evo faith? They always seek to disrespect what Jesus said the Scripture was, and His fulfilling it. That is the name of their game. Period.

 

[Loudmouth]

Lurkers, notice the anti God spirit that permeates the posts of some defenders of the defeated evo faith? They always seek to disrespect what Jesus said the Scripture was, and His fulfilling it. That is the name of their game. Period.

Lurkers, notice that when I disagree with dad I am told that I am anti God. dad thinks he is God.

 

[Loudmouth]

Rather than spam posting, try comprehending what was written. I dealt with why your dogmatic doctrines are circular.

You never showed how the measurement of isotopes in a rock is circular.

What you fail to understand is that the isotope makeup of a rock is determined by mass spectrometry. The half life of an isotope is used nowhere in the process of measuring the isotope ratios. Therefore, it isn't circular. Never has been.

You are wrong. Flat wrong.

 

[dad]

Lurkers, notice that when I disagree with dad I am told that I am anti God. dad thinks he is God.

Obviously false. Jesus affirmed that Scripture was true and had to be fulfilled and was fulfilled by Him. He told us the words would continue on after this present world ceased to exist. When someone insults the veracity of Christ and His words, that is certainly a spirit that is not of God.

 

[dad]

You never showed how the measurement of isotopes in a rock is circular.

The ratios are fine, what is circular is for you to use belief in a same state past to explain all the ratios! Not only that, but you go on to attribute that imaginary state past the very existence of the universe and earth and man!

What you fail to understand is that the isotope makeup of a rock is determined by mass spectrometry.

No one questions the make up. Canard.

The half life of an isotope is used nowhere in the process of measuring the isotope ratios. Therefore, it isn't circular. Never has been.

It IS used when you assign time to those ratios. The same state past and our laws are used to explain the ratios. Just as you try to use it to explain why stuff you claim was here is missing!

 

[dad]

Here is another email query.


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They like to say that the changes in evolution are so miniscule that changes are not even noticable in many generations. You only notice it when looked at it from a longer time scale. They even claim we ourselves are a transitional form in itself.

The claim that, yes. They claim the universe and life came from a long series of unobserved unproven transitions and flukes and what have yous. Anything but Christ is their motto and agenda, and spirit.

 

[Kylie]

The bible may seem like that to you. Not millions of others.

Argument from popularity. Logical fallacy.

Do not pretend to have evidence for your godless fantasy state here. It is M.I.A.

Do not pretend the evidence is absent just because you are incapable of recognising it.

No, it disagrees with God and His word, and is not really science, but Satanic doctrines of devils.

Oh, name calling. How mature. My daughter used to do the same thing. "Fiona, why don't you want to eat your vegetables?" "Because they're mean yucky stinky!"

No. I am saying Jesus the prophets, and apostles and writers of Scripture all accepted creation.

Good for them. Doesn't mean they were right. Argument from popularity again, as well as argument from authority. If you are going to accept the views of someone as fact, make sure they are experts in that particular field!

Name me one Christian who can say the bible is wrong when it says that the world was made by him (Jesus)!!?

WHen it says the Bible is wrong in what regard? THe whole thing? Or just a part of it? And if so, what part?

If you mean, "Name a Christian who can say that the Bible's claim of a young Earth is wrong," then I point you towards my husband.

You can side with the cookie monster for all I care. Reality is a stranger to the godless, and evidence is an abused word, that has no real meaning when the religious zealots of so called science bandy it about.

So you're going to join AV in the "Reality can take a hike" camp, are you? For all your talk about how you have the right answers about reality, I've never once seen you refer to it or get your evidence from it.

 

[dad]

Argument from popularity. Logical fallacy.

No, the reason it is seen as validated was because of a plethora of prohesies fulfilled and events observed and repeated. Strawman.

Do not pretend the evidence is absent just because you are incapable of recognising it.

Why pretend, we can just read your posts.

Good for them. Doesn't mean they were right. Argument from popularity again, as well as argument from authority. If you are going to accept the views of someone as fact, make sure they are experts in that particular field!

Not all things accepted by many are for good reasons.

WHen it says the Bible is wrong in what regard? THe whole thing? Or just a part of it? And if so, what part?

You seemed to have missed the point entirely. The question was who in the bible (Jesus, prophets, apostles, etc) suggested that there was no Adam or Eve or creation?? No one. End of story.

If you mean, "Name a Christian who can say that the Bible's claim of a young Earth is wrong," then I point you towards my husband.

Sorry you were led to believe such nonsense.

So you're going to join AV in the "Reality can take a hike" camp, are you?

That depends on what is defined as reality. Science is not qualified to say. Those that are in rabid denial of history and spirits, and whom replace the actual recorded past with a fabricated belief based construct based solely on the present are simply not equipped to deal in much of reality.

For all your talk about how you have the right answers about reality, I've never once seen you refer to it or get your evidence from it.

Unless one knew it, how would they know if I referred to it???

 

[PsychoSarah]

My faith in my own ability to determine why God was right all along and science wrong--yes. Not my faith that Jesus has it covered regardless of whether we comprehend how or not.

Why put such faith in yourself, a flawed human, anyways?

 

[Loudmouth]

The ratios are fine, what is circular is for you to use belief in a same state past to explain all the ratios!

How is that circular?

It IS used when you assign time to those ratios.

Since the ratios are independent of decay rates and the assumption of a same state past, then it is not circular.

The same state past and our laws are used to explain the ratios.

Your only defense is to disallow people the ability to even contemplate the same state laws? How pathetic.

 

[Loudmouth]

Obviously false.

Obviously true. Everytime I disagree with YOU, you claim that I am disagreeing with God.

Jesus affirmed that Scripture was true and had to be fulfilled and was fulfilled by Him.

Jesus said nothing about the laws of nature being different in the past.

When someone insults the veracity of Christ and His words, that is certainly a spirit that is not of God.

You are not Christ.

 

[Kylie]

No, the reason it is seen as validated was because of a plethora of prohesies fulfilled and events observed and repeated. Strawman.

Yes, there is a claim a prophecy was made, and a claim that the prophecy was fulfilled. Very convincing.

Why pretend, we can just read your posts.

Funnily enough, not a single person other than you has found fault with my posts about radioactive decay supporting a present state past.

Not all things accepted by many are for good reasons.

What does this have to do with what I said?.

You seemed to have missed the point entirely. The question was who in the bible (Jesus, prophets, apostles, etc) suggested that there was no Adam or Eve or creation?? No one. End of story.

No, that was not the question. You asked for "one Christian." You never specified that it had to be someone from the bible.

In any case, the question is meaningless. Everyone in Harry Potter believes in magic people. Everyone in star trek believes in warp drive. The fact that the people in your stories believe in your stories proves nothing.

Sorry you were led to believe such nonsense.

Ah yes. Insulting the position you disagree with is a sure sign of someone who has no rational argument against it.

That depends on what is defined as reality. Science is not qualified to say. Those that are in rabid denial of history and spirits, and whom replace the actual recorded past with a fabricated belief based construct based solely on the present are simply not equipped to deal in much of reality.

And you accept the old stories as true with no basis for doing so. If they are true, there would be supporting evidence from reality. But you can not provide any.

Unless one knew it, how would they know if I referred to it???

I do know it, and you've never referred to it.

 

[dad]

Why put such faith in yourself, a flawed human, anyways?

Better to put faith in God and His word. That is what I specialize in here, notice?

 

[Loudmouth]

Better to put faith in God and His word. That is what I specialize in here, notice?

Every time you refuse to consider the evidence you are refusing to put your faith in God. The only thing you put faith in is your twisted interpretation of the Bible. That isn't God.

 

[MerlinJ]

Every time you refuse to consider the evidence you are refusing to put your faith in God. The only thing you put faith in is your twisted interpretation of the Bible. That isn't God.

There's a word for this. Bibliolatry.