Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

[CabVet]

Do you really think you can accuse scientists of telling lies about junk DNA, and then fail to reference a single lie that they have told? Really?

What a shining example of christianity you are.

Nothing like bearing false witness to make points...

 

[justlookinla]

Do you really think you can accuse scientists of telling lies about junk DNA, and then fail to reference a single lie that they have told? Really?

What a shining example of christianity you are.

Well, I ain't perfect, but I ain't being controlled by no antichrist spirit either.

So there's that.

 

[justlookinla]

Nothing like bearing false witness to make points...

The point is, the 'truth' of scienceism is an ever changing 'truth'.

 

[Loudmouth]

From Time magazine....

Not written by a scientist. Try again.

We all agree that non-scientist reporters get stuff wrong all of the time.

But it turns out they were wrong. In an impressive series of more than 30 papers published in several journals, including Nature, Genome Research, Genome Biology, Science and Cell, scientists now report that these vast stretches of seeming “junk” DNA are actually the seat of crucial gene-controlling activity — changes that contribute to hundreds of common diseases. The new data come from the Encyclopedia of DNA Elements project, or ENCODE, a $123 million endeavor begun by the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI) in 2003, which includes 442 scientists in 32 labs around the world."

What you don't understand is that the ENCODE group used a definition for functional that includes junk DNA. Their definition for functional included anything that participated in a biochemical reaction. Junk DNA will participate in biochemical reactions in the cell, and it is still junk. They did nothing to disprove the conclusion that a massive portion of the genome is junk DNA.

Please cite real peer reviewed scientific papers, please. You claim that the scientists are wrong, so please quote what the scientists have actually written.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well, I ain't perfect, but I ain't being controlled by no antichrist spirit either.

So there's that.

Then why is it that the person you call the antichrist is able to be honest about genetics and facts while you have to run away from it?

 

[justlookinla]

Not written by a scientist. Try again.

We all agree that non-scientist reporters get stuff wrong all of the time.



What you don't understand is that the ENCODE group used a definition for functional that includes junk DNA. Their definition for functional included anything that participated in a biochemical reaction. Junk DNA will participate in biochemical reactions in the cell, and it is still junk. They did nothing to disprove the conclusion that a massive portion of the genome is junk DNA.

Please cite real peer reviewed scientific papers, please. You claim that the scientists are wrong, so please quote what the scientists have actually written.

Yep, the 'not peer reviewed' dance. That's the wild gyrations we see every time there's contrary information presented to you.

 

[justlookinla]

Then why is it that the person you call the antichrist is able to be honest about genetics and facts while you have to run away from it?

I haven't called anyone "the antichrist".

Scripturally, you're of the antichrist spirit, you're not the antichrist of scripture.

 

[Loudmouth]

I haven't called anyone "the antichrist".

Scripturally, you're of the antichrist spirit, you're not the antichrist of scripture.

Why can't you address the evidence?

 

[Loudmouth]

Yep, the 'not peer reviewed' dance.

The only dance is your claim that scientists lied about junk DNA, and then you can't even quote a scientist telling a lie about junk DNA. Don't look at me. You are the one who accused scientists of misrepresenting junk DNA, so it is up to you to quote scientists misrepresenting junk DNA. Quoting a non-scientist in Time magazine will not do it.

That's the wild gyrations we see every time there's contrary information presented to you.

You would think that you would start presenting peer reviewed papers. Why can't you?

 

[dad]

That is not what I said. Please try to be honest.

The prediction of what the patterns would be were made before they were measured.



We need more than a flat denial. Please explain why this is not evidence.

Name the specific pattern that was predicted, that doesn't follow the general rules of what was created??

 

[dad]

You've forgotten what prompted my comment, haven't you. Poor old dad.

Some posts are forgotten before one gets through reading em.

 

[justlookinla]

Why can't you address the evidence?

The evidence is that per scripture, you're of the antichrist spirit.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Some posts are forgotten before one gets through reading em.

Then perhaps you shouldn't feel compelled to reply to them with irrelevant drivel.

 

[dad]

Then perhaps you shouldn't feel compelled to reply to them with irrelevant drivel.

I use exceptionally sound logic, grounded in Scripture, that includes the knowledge of man. The issue continues to be that man's knowledge doesn't go as far as was commonly thought, and taught.

It is my experience that a different nature in the past fits all evidences. If we look at Egypt for example we see this holds true. Early Egypt would likely have been shortly after Babel (the time of the change of laws). Some implications of this change are much much shorter lifespans. People dying much sooner would be something that may have deeply impacted the psyche of the people living at the time. What do we see in history of the time? We see great focus on death and dying, and the dead...tombs, pyramid tombs etc. Seems to fit a changed state. What else? We see that great stones were moved in building of some structures. That fits a fundamentally different nature where it may have been mush easier to do so! We also see that early populations abandoned farming in many areas basically for some reason, if I recall, moved to other areas, and ways of life. No? If so, that fits also, because plants grew so fast in the former state, but not in this one. Changes of this sort would be required. How about the results of the populations having different tongues, rather than all the world just one language? It makes sense that they would resort to pictures to communicate, especially perhaps to those of other languages. Again, it fits the evidence!! How about the spirit god kings they record in the very early years of Egypt? That fits like a glove also, because even at Babel, they apparently had some sort of spiritual abode not all that high up from the earth. Remember the tower of Babel, where they tried to build up to it? After the nature change, apparently angels and spirits were a lot more separated from the physical plane of man!

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I use exceptionally sound logic, grounded in Scripture, that includes the knowledge of man. The issue continues to be that man's knowledge doesn't go as far as was commonly thought, and taught.

It is my experience that a different nature in the past fits all evidences. If we look at Egypt for example we see this holds true. Early Egypt would likely have been shortly after Babel (the time of the change of laws). Some implications of this change are much much shorter lifespans. People dying much sooner would be something that may have deeply impacted the psyche of the people living at the time. What do we see in history of the time? We see great focus on death and dying, and the dead...tombs, pyramid tombs etc. Seems to fit a changed state. What else? We see that great stones were moved in building of some structures. That fits a fundamentally different nature where it may have been mush easier to do so! We also see that early populations abandoned farming in many areas basically for some reason, if I recall, moved to other areas, and ways of life. No? If so, that fits also, because plants grew so fast in the former state, but not in this one. Changes of this sort would be required. How about the results of the populations having different tongues, rather than all the world just one language? It makes sense that they would resort to pictures to communicate, especially perhaps to those of other languages. Again, it fits the evidence!! How about the spirit god kings they record in the very early years of Egypt? That fits like a glove also, because even at Babel, they apparently had some sort of spiritual abode not all that high up from the earth. Remember the tower of Babel, where they tried to build up to it? After the nature change, apparently angels and spirits were a lot more separated from the physical plane of man!

Your lack of interest in what anyone else has to say and your eagerness to repeat your own ideas over and over and over again is consistent with a lack of social interaction.

 

[dad]

Your lack of interest in what anyone else has to say and your eagerness to repeat your own ideas over and over and over again is consistent with a lack of social interaction.

I actually don't put truth up for grabs, or trade. If you get something to say that includes the truth and God and doesn't peddle fanatical godless belies and fables, get back to us.

You obviously can't address the issues, but love to whine incessantly. Ho hum.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I actually don't put truth up for grabs, or trade. If you get something to say that includes the truth and God and doesn't peddle fanatical godless belies and fables, get back to us.

As you lost the plot in our exchange several posts ago, your default repetition of your blinkered posting technique, which I made an observation about, is rather telling.

You obviously can't address the issues, but love to whine incessantly. Ho hum.

Says the guy who admits he replies to posts he can't even remember reading. Your need to post a reply repeating your mantra even when you don't understand, have no interest in, or can't remember, the contents of the posts you are replying to is consistent with someone compensating for something lacking elsewhere.

 

[dad]

As you lost the plot in our exchange several posts ago, your default repetition of your blinkered posting technique, which I made an observation about, is rather telling.

No, actually, when you post empty blather, I feel obligated to write something worthwhile in case others read it. What is lost is your defense of godless death science, and your claimed past nature. You simply have nothing to say at all about how God says the past was like and the future will be. So we see this nonsense from you.

Says the guy who admits he replies to posts he can't even remember reading.

Try to focus on issues. They are not all that hard to address when presented clearly and cohesively. When you expect us to harken back to some has been post you think merited glory it never got, that gets boring.


Run along now. it is best to close the thread or await poster of reason and intelligence.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No, actually, when you post empty blather, I feel obligated to write something worthwhile in case others read it. What is lost is your defense of godless death science, and your claimed past nature. You simply have nothing to say at all about how God says the past was like and the future will be. So we see this nonsense from you.

Well, you keep proving my point really. You neither understand nor are the least interested in anyone's views but your own, but as I mentioned, there are probable reasons for this. I've seen it before in elderly people who are isolated.

Try to focus on issues.

You are the one who never follows nor cares what anyone else has to say. Focusing on issues raised by other people is a theoretical concept for you. This isn't really your fault, you don't have the tools necessary to do it, but that is of no importance to you. Other people's posts are just an excuse for you to repeat your own identical post for the 30,000th time. You don't actually need anyone else's posts to do that. The contents of other people's posts aren't the reason you come here to repeat your identical post again and again.

They are not all that hard to address when presented clearly and cohesively. When you expect us to harken back to some has been post you think merited glory it never got, that gets boring.

It's not my fault if you compulsively reply to posts you can't even remember reading. Having your attention dragged back to posts other than your own is, I'm sure, very boring for you. But again this is symptomatic of the issue I referred to.

Run along now. it is best to close the thread or await poster of reason and intelligence.

Then close the thread. Do it. It would be good therapy for you.

 

[Andy 998]

I use exceptionally sound logic, grounded in Scripture,

Logic? scripture? was scripture written by logical people? their world was filled with demons, dragons, spirits and gods,
not so very far away from yours I guess so I can see why you would think they thought logically.