Taize

[Sphinx777]

The Taizé Community is an ecumenical Christian monastic order in Taizé, Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France. It is comprised of a little over 100 brothers who come from Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant traditions. Over 100,000 young people from around the world make pilgrimages to Taizé each year for prayer, Bible study, sharing, and communal work.

 

[sue702]

Taizé is a truly wonderful place and the services in the Church of Reconciliation are very moving. The singing fills you with energy and peace. The services are accessible to everyone, no matter their Christian faith or their native language, so powerful is the message they bring. My favourite CD is Venite exultemus, with my favourite Allelulia (slava tiebe Boze) and the very special "In manus tuas, Pater" which was sung at the first service I ever went to back in 2006 and never fails to fill me with emotion. I am lucky enough to live close by, soI can walk up the hill to a service whenever I want which I do regularly.

Sue

 

[Virgil the Roman]

If it's not Catholic,
DO NOT GO!
Why would one see fit to participate in non-fully Catholic worship? God can be worshipped most fully and truly only in his Holy Catholic Church; this is the traditional teaching of the Holy Catholic Church.

To participate in heretical Protestant "worship services" is to participate in heresy; as the Church as traditionally held: she even by law forbade Catholics from attending such services.

Now if She has traditionally prohibited such: why would you seek to fancy it a "good idea" when the Church has historically and traditionally though it to bring about heresy, apostasy, and potential damnation via alienation from Christ's Holy Catholic Church: I should think that one would want to avoid such sects; they chip away at and subtly destroy one's faith.

 

[Rochir]

I haven't been to one (yet) but I believe it's one of the most awe-inspiring gatherings on this planet!

Bless you, Frere Roger!

 

[Rochir]

I say Taize is not Catholic because it orignates from a non-Catholic monastic community in France.

The Taizé Community is an ecumenical Christian monastic order in Taizé, Saône-et-Loire, Burgundy, France. It is composed of about 100 brothers who come from Protestant and Catholic traditions.

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[Virgil the Roman]

Your point? Catholics have been known to participate in heretical sects before? That doesn't negate the error of it.

 

[Rochir]

Your point? Catholics have been known to participate in heretical sects before? That doesn't negate the error of it.

Taize isn't an error - it's the first step into the right direction!

 

[Anhelyna]

Matthaeus

A little charity if you please

Mass is celebrated in Taizé and RCs are expected to attend that .

 

[Rhamiel]

If it's not Catholic,
DO NOT GO!
Why would one see fit to participate in non-fully Catholic worship? God can be worshipped most fully and truly only in his Holy Catholic Church; this is the traditional teaching of the Holy Catholic Church.

To participate in heretical Protestant "worship services" is to participate in heresy; as the Church as traditionally held: she even by law forbade Catholics from attending such services.

Now if She has traditionally prohibited such: why would you seek to fancy it a "good idea" when the Church has historically and traditionally though it to bring about heresy, apostasy, and potential damnation via alienation from Christ's Holy Catholic Church: I should think that one would want to avoid such sects; they chip away at and subtly destroy one's faith.

you are missrepresenting the teachings of the Church
it is no longer forbiden to attend non-catholic worship services

 

[kisstheson]

Yes I have beem to a service. It's incredibly moving. I had a couple of their recordings. My fave I used in a drama I wrote and directed about Jesus and played it while the actor was carrying the cross.

it's usaully sung Good Friday,

"Jesus remember me when you come into Your kingdom." Moves me to tears every time I hear it.

 

[Maggie893]

I've done Taize many times. A friend of mine is very active and sets up many opportunities in our area. We've sung Taize at adoration, through Mass, for youth events. Really it's just a beautiful chant and all the lyrics are completely within Catholic teaching.

Two of my favorites:

YouTube - Taize: Jesus Remember Me

YouTube - Ubi Caritas Taizé

YouTube - Magnificat - Taizé

ok that was actually three.

 

[Fantine]

Wouldn't it be amazing if the Taize movement was successful in bringing European young adults back to faith?

I honestly believe that young adults are hungry, even starving for spirituality....but religion often gets in the way. In the still, contemplative, meditative environment of Taize, they may find God.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

you are missrepresenting the teachings of the Church
it is no longer forbiden to attend non-catholic worship services

Source?

Communicatio in sacris is a grave sin and the Church does not have the authority to allow it. That is why the 1917 CIC distinguishes between passive and active participation and the reasons why a Catholic may be allowed to passively attend a non-Catholic service (such as obligation for a state funeral) and there must be no danger of scandal. The bishop, of course, should be consulted if there is question.

§1. Haud licitum est fidelibus quovis modo active assistere seu partem habere in sacris acatholicorum.
§2. Tolerari potest praesentia passiva seu mere materialis, civilis officii vel honoris causa, ob gravem rationem ab Episcopo in casu dubii probandam, in acatholicorum funeribus, nuptiis similibusque sollemniis, dummodo perversionis et scandali periculum absit.

Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?

No one shall pray in common with heretics and schismatics.

For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little. turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.
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All Christians, they add, should be as "one": for then they would be much more powerful in driving out the pest of irreligion, which like a serpent daily creeps further and becomes more widely spread, and prepares to rob the Gospel of its strength. These things and others that class of men who are known as pan-Christians continually repeat and amplify; and these men, so far from being quite few and scattered, have increased to the dimensions of an entire class, and have grouped themselves into widely spread societies, most of which are directed by non-Catholics, although they are imbued with varying doctrines concerning the things of faith. This undertaking is so actively promoted as in many places to win for itself the adhesion of a number of citizens, and it even takes possession of the minds of very many Catholics and allures them with the hope of bringing about such a union as would be agreeable to the desires of Holy Mother Church, who has indeed nothing more at heart than to recall her erring sons and to lead them back to her bosom. But in reality beneath these enticing words and blandishments lies hid a most grave error, by which the foundations of the Catholic faith are completely destroyed.
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But We do know that from this it is an easy step to the neglect of religion or indifferentism and to modernism, as they call it. Those, who are unhappily infected with these errors, hold that dogmatic truth is not absolute but relative, that is, it agrees with the varying necessities of time and place and with the varying tendencies of the mind, since it is not contained in immutable revelation, but is capable of being accommodated to human life. Besides this, in connection with things which must be believed, it is nowise licit to use that distinction which some have seen fit to introduce between those articles of faith which are fundamental and those which are not fundamental, as they say, as if the former are to be accepted by all, while the latter may be left to the free assent of the faithful: for the supernatural virtue of faith has a formal cause, namely the authority of God revealing, and this is patient of no such distinction.
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So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.

You will find people saying on every side that the Bolshevist movement (for instance) is "definitely anti-Christian" -- "opposed to every form of Christianity" -- and must be "resisted by all Christians irrespective of the particular Church to which each may belong," and so on.

Speech and writing of this kind are futile because they mean nothing definite. There is no such thing as a religion called "Christianity" -- there never has been such a religion.

There is and always has been the Church, and various heresies proceeding from a rejection of some of the Church's doctrines by men who still desire to retain the rest of her teaching and morals. But there never has been and never can be or will be a general Christian religion professed by men who all accept some central important doctrines, while agreeing to differ about others. There has always been, from the beginning, and will always be, the Church, and sundry heresies either doomed to decay, or, like Mohammedanism, to grow into a separate religion. Of a common Christianity there has never been and never can be a definition, for it has never existed.

There is no essential doctrine such that if we can agree upon it we can differ about the rest: as for instance, to accept immortality but deny the Trinity. A man will call himself a Christian though he denies the unity of the Christian Church; he will call himself a Christian though he denies the presence of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament; he will cheerfully call himself a Christian though he denies the Incarnation.

No; the quarrel is between the Church and the anti-Church -- the Church of God and anti-God -- the Church of Christ and anti-Christ.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

The message was, stay faithful to your own Church and don't go form any new communities, but bring home with yourself the spirit of reconciliation - that was the key word, reconciliation - and live it. Reconciliation in the family, in the community, between communities.

The ecumenism too, was healthy. We prayed and made plans and spent our days together, but the church had a Catholic tabernacle in one aisle and an Orthodox iconostasis in the other, and we all had our own liturgies and Sacraments, reinforcing the message to stay true to your own Church and keep its rules and traditions.

This ecumenism is not healthy, but false. Ecumenism is dialogue with heresies, schisms, and non-Christian religions in order to bring them back into communion with the Catholic Church. "Stay faithful to your own Church" is the false distortion -- there is only one Church.

 

[Rhamiel]

This ecumenism is not healthy, but false. Ecumenism is dialogue with heresies, schisms, and non-Christian religions in order to bring them back into communion with the Catholic Church. "Stay faithful to your own Church" is the false distortion -- there is only one Church.

do you have anything after vatican 2 that says that we can not attend protestant services?
I do not mean take communion, I know that is not allowed, but to attend and worship

 

[Virgil the Roman]

you are missrepresenting the teachings of the Church
it is no longer forbiden to attend non-catholic worship services

And why would one attend one now? The Church has historically said that it is not possible to offer true worship save in herself alone. That fact has not changed.

All Protestant sects do is tear folks away from Christ's Holy Catholic Church. I've friends and a brother who have apostasized, embraced heresy, and now attend heretical Protestant sects. I don't think that it's a trite matter.

I'm sorry, but when such folks claim [falsely] Catholics as "elitist" or "cultish" or intolerant: I'm not amused. When ex-Catholics demean the Holy Church of God and mock her and continually try to drag faithful and orthodox Catholics away from the fount of Salvation [the Holy Catholic Church of our Saviour Jesus Christ's] to error and perdition, I cannot see but rotten and false fruit of it.

I am thank our Blessed Lord Trinity that I am bewitched by the spell of Protestantism; led to believe lies and untruths about our Saviour's Holy Catholic Church---I try to help others see and try to avoid the errors that I formerly embraced. I try in honest charity to help my friends and family see the truth of Holy Mother Church and I pray for them. Alas, it seems most would either apostasise and embrace error or else: remain lukewarm or nominal.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Kyrie Eleision.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

do you have anything after vatican 2 that says that we can not attend protestant services?
I do not mean take communion, I know that is not allowed, but to attend and worship

Where are we obliged to attend heretical or schismatic sects?
Vatican Two says nothing about Catholics attending heretical or schismatic sects that I am aware of.

True Ecumenism [Gah: I hate that word; only because it usually implies a false irenicism today that along with Neo-Modernism and Liberalism is nigh everywhere today]----True Ecumenism is conversion of all non-Catholics to the true Catholic faith and true Holy Church of God: which is one and is alone, the Holy Catholic Church headed by Blessed Peter and his successors. Anything less is inane at the least; and possible erroneous or teetering on the edge of heresy.

 

[Rhamiel]

And why would one attend one now? The Church has historically said that it is not possible to offer true worship save in herself alone. That fact has not changed.

All Protestant sects do is tear folks away from Christ's Holy Catholic Church. I've friends and a brother who attend heretical Protestant sects. I don't think that it's a trite matter.

I'm sorry, but when such folks claim Catholics as "elitist" or "cultish" or intolerant: I'm not amused. When ex-Catholics demean the Holy Church of God and mock her and continually try to drag faithful and orthodox Catholics away from the fount of Salvation [the Holy Catholic Church of our Saviour Jesus Christ's] to error and perdition, I cannot see but rotten and false fruit of it.

I am thank our Blessed Lord Trinity that I am bewitched by the spell of Protestantism; led to believe lies and untruths about our Saviour's Holy Catholic Church---I try to help others see and try to avoid the errors that I formerly embraced. I try in honest charity to help my friends and family see the truth of Holy Mother Church and I pray for them. Alas, it seems most would either apostasise and embrace error or else: remain lukewarm or nominal.

why is it differant now? we are in a differant age, the great wars of religion are over, we had a chance to win back England and the Neatherlands by sword and gun, was it a good idea or horrible? i dunno
either way that period is over, then to show the sacredness of the Church we had a total seperation from heretical sects
so now things are going differantly.... times change
The Church is always the Church, but when the times change, how we deal with others need to addapt

 

[Virgil the Roman]

The Modernist say the same thing. They say the "Church needs to change" or "evolve" her practises. You've no proof that one ought attend heretical sects other than appeal to emotion or "change in history."

How is the Church the change? You're implying that her practise for the last 1962 years has been deficient and somehow folks now "know" better because we're in a "different era." What was wrong a century ago, is still wrong today. If even Holy Scripture warns against too much a familiarity with heretics, then who are we to challenge this?