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Exodus 23 is talking about bringing the Israelites to the place YHWH prepared for them. Joshua. Context.
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Yeshua says:
Matthew 11:9-10 [Concerning Yochanan Eliyahu the Immerser]
9. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee, [Exodus 23:20a/23a].
Exodus 23 is talking about bringing the Israelites to the place YHWH prepared for them. Joshua. Context.
Exodus 23 is talking about bringing the Israelites to the place YHWH prepared for them. Joshua. Context.
And yet the truth is plain as day if one will pay close attention to a couple of childlike basic words such as "me" and "you" which should normally not be too much to ask of people with PhD's behind their names. All of your so-called men of stature, all of the men of renown, all of the well respected commentators who have written commentaries concerning the following are in error, at least every one of them I have ever read. Note the final underlined statement in the following Matthew passage:
Matthew 11:7-10 KJV
7. And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8. But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Where exactly is the underlined statement above written? If one were to consult most of the popular commentaries it would state that this quote is derived from Malachi 3:1, however, such is clearly not the case:
Malachi 3:1 KJV
1. Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.
The statements are not the same. If however one looks at the Septuagint he or she may find the exact quote from where this passage is taken. Surely your "non-carnal minded" scholars would have known to check the Septuagint version of Torah when they noticed the discrepancy above correct? Or perhaps none of them have ever noticed it? Nah, that couldn't possibly be the case eh? Why then do they all misdirect the statement of Yeshua concerning Yochanan? Why do they all say Yeshua is quoting from the Malachi passage when it is clearly not the correct passage?
Matthew 11:10 Westcott and Hort 1881
10 οὗτός ἐστιν περὶ οὗ γέγραπται Ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἀποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου, ὃς κατασκευάσει τὴν ὁδόν σου ἔμπροσθέν σου.
Malachi 3:1 Septuagint
ΙΔΟΥ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου, καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ Κύριος, ὃν ὑμεῖς ζητεῖτε, καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης, ὃν ὑμεῖς θέλετε· ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται, λέγει Κύριος παντοκράτωρ.
The two statements above are not even close simply because:
μου/mou = me/mine/of me
σου/sou = you/thee/thy/of you
However the following statement is identical to the Matthew 11:10 quote:
Exodus 23:20 Septuagint
20 Καὶ ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἀποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου, ἵνα φυλάξῃ σε ἐν τῇ ὁδῷ, ὅπως εἰσαγάγῃ σε εἰς τὴν γῆν, ἣν ἡτοίμασά σοι.
These two statements are identical:
Exodus 23:20a Septuagint ~ ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἀποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου,
Matthew 11:10b W/H 1881 ~ Ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἀποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου πρὸ προσώπου σου,
The statement from the Septuagint version of Malachi 3:1a-b is not the same:
Malachi 3:1a-b ~ ΙΔΟΥ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου,
Here it is in Ye Good Olde KJV English:
Exodus 23:20 KJV
20. Behold, I send an [Septuagint reads "μου" ~ "mine"] Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him.
22. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23. For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
Matthew 11:10 KJV
10. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Matthew 11:10b duplicates Exodus 23:20a word for word as if taken straight from the Septuagint.
And "THEE-THINE" [σου] and "ME-MINE" [μου] are NOT the same no matter what language.
However Malachi 3:1 also includes the Malak Brit which is the "Messenger of the Covenant".
According to the Malak Brit himself then Yochanan mashiyach Eliyahu is the malak of Exodus 23.
Eliyahu is the Spirit of the Prophets up to Yochanan the Immerser with the anointing of Eliyahu.
Yeshua says:
Matthew 11:9-10 [Concerning Yochanan Eliyahu the Immerser]
9. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee, [Exodus 23:20a/23a].
I feel like I am missing something Daq.
I just realized that I need to understand the concept of messengers.
Is Jesus the messenger of the covenant?
Is he the mediator?
Then I look at John and compare, and something tells me that something else is there.
Lord shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant: Mal. 3:1 .
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of Israel: Matt. 15:24 .
I must preach the kingdom for therefore am I sent: Luke 4:43 .
works bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me: John 5:36 . ( John 7:29 ; John 8:42 ; John 10:36 ; John 11:42 ; John 17:3 . )
living Father hath sent me: John 6:57 .
My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me: John 7:16
There are plenty messengers, but I'm sure I'm missing something, do you know what?
There are two messengers referenced in Malachi 3:1. The first messenger goes before the Most High and the other, the Messenger of the Covenant, he is the vessel who carries the message of the Most High with the Spirit of the Most High upon him. A man can receive nothing except it be given him from heaven. He that has the Brit Chadashah Testimony is the groom. That one will show you how to pattern your little miqdash after the pattern of the Mishkan as commanded, (and perhaps in one place the mini-me-miqdash is called Sukkat David).
I can see John, the friend of the bridegroom preparing the bride to be redeemed in a marriage, and I see the groom also as a Jew.
I see Christ not only standing in the middle of the two, but also that he worked his redemption with his own arm, also standing as a Jew marrying a Gentile.
I am looking at Jesus as not only a mediator of a covenant between two, but also as one of the two.
What am I missing?
If he stands for two, as the mediator, and as a Jew redeeming a bride, doesn't he also stand as the other one?
All 3?
In the flesh, the spirit, and the one who stands in the middle bringing peace between the two?
Just thinking out loud Daq.
Numbers 13:16
These are the names of the men Moses sent to explore the land. Moses gave Hoshea son of Nun the name Joshua.
Gods Angel to Prepare the Way
Exodus 23
20 See, I am sending an angel / messenger ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Joshua Yahshua
"Peniel" was("The Messenger of Yahwah.") Birth name: Yahshua
No need to "simplify" things this way. Yeshua has been leading Israel throughout the centuries, since the days of Moses; and indeed he was the one who interacted with the Patriarchs, as is clear from Targums. Who did Jacob wrestle with? Who walked in Eden with Adam? Paul even seems to identify Yeshua as the pillar that went in front of Israel in the wilderness.
Most likely, any prophecy can apply to multiple entities, hence Yehoshua and Yeshua can both be intended in Exodus 23:20-21.
Prepare the way
Isaiah 40:3
A voice of one calling in the wilderness, prepare the way for (the Lord / Yahwah); make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Malachi 3:1
“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the lord (Yahshua) you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says (the Lord / Yahwah) Almighty.
Matthew 11:10
For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 1:2
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luke 7:27
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
John 1:23
John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’”
Bold italic underlined multi-colored emphasis mine:
Blue = Exodus 23:20 ~
PS ~ Mark 1:2 has "Esaias the prophet" which refers to the Malak of Exodus 23:20 as shown previously above.
Me is Yahwah. Yahwah worked through Yahshua, John helped prepare the way.
Context!
Very excellent points. Much of it comes together when seeing the ways the Tabernacle of David (sanctioned by the Lord Himself with His blessing and involvement) showed the principle of God choosing to dwell with others in progressive stages. How he dwelt with the people in the time of Moses isn't the same as it was in David's time - just as it is not the same in the time of the Messiah when the Early Jewish Church saw the Holy Spirit fill all (Jew and Gentile - Acts 15). And just as God worked in grace with David (including the aspect of allowing for Two Tabernacles for the sake of ministry to the people), so it was in our time with God's Mercy being present for the sake of ministering to others. Some of this was discussed more in-depth in previous discussion - as seen in the thread entitled "Priests"..There is another way we should consider this concept of the Tabernacle of David (spiritual not material)
The Tabernacle (like the Holy of Holies even in the Temple) was a place where the Shekinah Glory would descend from heaven (or manifest) to be with us (I AM with you is none other than God with us). In the Shekinah we (humankind) could be face to face with God and not be consumed. This was one of the forms that the LORD used to make Himself present amidst us (also as the Angel of the LORD, or the Angel of His presence, also in the form of a man and so on) .no being while in the flesh can look upon God in His essence and live, but God in His merciful grace has allowed some on occasion to both see and hear Him .God manifest in these ways was called the Word of the LORD by the Targumim and by the followers of Yeshua.
Yeshua tells us that no man has seen the Father (God in His pure state) at any time and neither have they heard His voice, the Son (or Word) has declared Him (that is has made Him known and knowable to us). So according to Yeshua, ak through the Tanakh when the LORD appeared unto this one or that one, and spoke with them, it was this Word (YHVH-Memra) who John tells us was both with God and was God bereshith.
Whenever YHVH assumes a form in which He dwells (shakans or Skeenoos i.e., to tabernacle) this form is also a Tabernacle. Now read these passages and consider them
Leviticus 26:11-12 And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
Not the Tabernacle made with hands, for that was already extant when this was said.
Zechariah 2:10-11 Sing and rejoice, Odaughter of Zion, for behold, I come, and I will come and dwell (shakan- to tabernacle) in the midst of you, says YHVH, and multitudes from many nations (the gentiles) shall join themselves to the Lord in that day
John 1:14 says, And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt (skeenoo pitched tent or tabernacle) among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
See 2 Corinthians 5
Hebrews 9:2,3 - For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all .
Hebrews 9:11 - But Messiah being come an high priest of good things to come (after the order of Melchizedek), by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building
Revelations 21:3 - And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
So I propose to you that the tabernacle of David that would be raised up in the last days is the body God prepared for the Word Himself to dwell in .Yeshua! This is why we must be immersed into the shem of Messiah (Acts 2:38) because it is IN HIM that we procure the blessings of YHVH towards us. For God was IN MESSIAH reconciling the world to Himself...
In His love
Paul
This is the type of "context" I am talking about: if the books of the New Testament never existed, and a Torah scroll was all there was, Exodus 23 would be talking about Joshua. Don't just read one verse, read the whole story. It's Joshua who took the place of Moses leading the Israelites to the place YHWH had prepared for them. The place of pilgrimage for the appointed times, which isn't at Jerusalem, but rather the place of Jacob's Well, Jacob's Dream, Joseph's burial site (and all other patriarchs, according to the book of Acts), the Mountain of Blessing, etc.
You're trying to read context back to front, but that's your prerogative.
This is the type of "context" I am talking about: if the books of the New Testament never existed, and a Torah scroll was all there was, Exodus 23 would be talking about Joshua. Don't just read one verse, read the whole story. It's Joshua who took the place of Moses leading the Israelites to the place YHWH had prepared for them. The place of pilgrimage for the appointed times, which isn't at Jerusalem, but rather the place of Jacob's Well, Jacob's Dream, Joseph's burial site (and all other patriarchs, according to the book of Acts), the Mountain of Blessing, etc.
You're trying to read context back to front, but that's your prerogative.
After reading this thread, I went and poked around online to see what the Rabbis say about Exodus 23 and from what I read they believe the angel/messenger is Metatron.
Did you happen to find any teaching that the malak of Exodus 23 concerns Joshua?
Exodus 25:2-9
2. Speak unto the children of Yisrael, that they bring me an offering: of every man that gives it willingly with his heart you shall take My offering.
3. And this is the offering which you shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and shesh-fine-linen, and `iziym-goats,
5. And skins of rams m'adamiym, and skins of tachash, and acacia,
6. Shemen for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make me a miqdash; that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the Mishkan, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall you make it.
Ezekiel 11:15-20
15. Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred and all the whole house of Yisrael are they unto whom the inhabitants of Yerushalaim have said; Get you afar off from YHWH: for unto us is given this ha-'arets-land for a possession.
16. Therefore say; Thus says 'Adonay YHWH, Although I have cast them afar off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among ha-'aratsot-lands, yet will I be to them as a little miqdash in ha-'aratsot-lands where they shall come.
17. Therefore say; Thus says 'Adonay YHWH, Also I will gather you from the people, and assemble you out of ha-'aratsot-lands where you have been scattered, and I will give you ha-'adamat Yisrael.
18. And they shall enter there, and they shall cut off all the detestable things of it and the abominations out of it.
19. And I will give them one heart, and I will put a Ruach Chadashah within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
20. That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their 'Elohim.
If you are a priest in this Kingdom you have no physical 'erets-land inheritance.
The 'adamah-soil is the soil of the heart as in the Parable of the Sower:
Exodus 20:19-24
19. And they said unto Mosheh; Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not 'Elohim speak with us, lest we die.
20. And said Mosheh to the people; Fear not: for 'Elohim is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that you sin not.
21. And the people stood afar off, and Mosheh drew near unto ha`araphel where 'Elohim was.
22. And said YHWH unto Mosheh; Thus you shall say unto the children of Yisrael: You have seen that I have talked with you from the heavens.
23. You shall not make with me [an] 'elohey of silver, neither shall you make unto you [an] 'elohey of gold.
24. An altar of 'adamah shall you make unto me, and shall sacrifice thereon your ascending offerings, and your peace offerings, your sheep, and your oxen: in all the places where I record My Name: I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
This is the Devarim companion passage to the above:
Deuteronomy 5:27-29
27. Go you near, and hear all that YHWH our 'Elohey shall say: and speak you unto us all that YHWH our 'Elohey shall speak unto you; and we will hear it, and do it.
28. And YHWH heard the voice of your words, when you spoke unto me; and YHWH said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29. O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Amos 9:11-15
11. In that day will I raise up cukkat David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12. That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all hagoyim over whom My Name is called, saith YHWH that does this.
13. Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that sows seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14. And I will bring again the captivity of my people Yisrael, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15. And I will plant them on their own 'adamat, and no more shall they be pulled up out of their own 'adamat which I have given them, says YHWH thy 'Elohey.
If you build it surely the Father and Son will come to make their abode with you.
And HaNavi continues concerning the Ark of the Covenant:Rashi:
Will you not from now: If only you repent of your evil and call me My Father. If you do so, will your Lord bear a grudge forever for what you have sinned? Will He keep it to eternity? He will not keep it.
Yirmiyahu - Chapter 3 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
Tabernacle of David.
Lets take a close look at what this tabernacle was:
The tabernacle David pitched was a tent.
This and surrounding verses suggest the last days. The structure is fallen and will be raised up again.
Which is a reference of Amos 9:11-12.
Notice that the structure will be built again, or rebuilt. So this is a reference to the first tabernacle, not a new structure. So what did the tabernacle of David look like? It was a tent, with the ark of the covenant in it.
This can be interpreted on 2 levels:
1. physical they only need 2 elements: a tent, and the ark of the covenant. The ark would only be brought out if Israel had been convinced that there was peace and safety, and Messiah was imminent or present.
2. spiritual the tent represents the human flesh, and the ark represents the covenant that is kept by the devout person.
A closer look at the Amos prophecy:
Notice that there are gentiles that are called by my name. This would indicate that believers are present. So the spiritual interpretation could have been fulfilled since the time of Yeshua. Since the prophecy is to rebuild the tabernacle of David, by the time it is rebuilt, it has apparently fallen.
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