Swedenborg

[Fizzywig]

Are we through with talking about Swedenborg now?

Did I ever actually mention him? I might have done somewhere............

 

[-57]

Yes, that is what I said.



Yes, that in effect is what I said. (Though not so much "close", more an actual sharing of God's freedom)

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I would use "amida"




Yes, that is what I said. On this thread, but in more detail on the "One for Israel" thread today.......(in bold print)

"Faith does not arise
Within ourselves.
The Entrusting Heart itself
Is given by the Other Power"

(Rennyo, a Pure Land devotee)

Perhaps a parallel could be made with strict Calvinist election. Amazing Grace. Nothing of our own.

Fortunately, a Pure Lander is not bound by the need to reconcile such Amazing Grace with the apparent NT teaching that not all are elected. Pure Land Buddhism is explicitly Universalist. Thus,we are not left with the quandary of why God, who "wills that all be saved", in fact does not do so.

Possibly for you the sticking point is "Jesus" and the "no other name" text found in the NT?

Nevermind, you can't have everything.

you said"Possibly for you the sticking point is "Jesus" and the "no other name" text found in the NT?"

Is this the verse you mean?
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Fizzywig]

you said"Possibly for you the sticking point is "Jesus" and the "no other name" text found in the NT?"

Is this the verse you mean?
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Yes, thats it!

 

[-57]

Yes, thats it!

Peter and John were preaching that truth....later Luke wrote it into Acts.

 

[Fizzywig]

Peter and John were preaching that truth....later Luke wrote it into Acts.

Yes, time conditioned, a cultural moment. Not an "eternal" truth that salvation cannot be found outside of that name.

Amida is not concerned, so relax. Amida knows that the letter kills but the spirit gives life, and with Shakespeare that a "rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Amida looks at and knows the heart and will take such into account if the wrong name is used.

EDIT:- just to anticipate and as I am off to bed, regarding the apostles speaking "as inspired by the spirit", the Christian ( Catholic ) Paul F Knitter discusses this in his various books on Religious pluralism. The problems are not insurmountable.

Thank you

 

[EmSw]

The judgement seat of Christ is a judgement for rewards. NOT salvation.

I see you don't believe the words of Jesus.

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

[EmSw]

When it comes to actual salvation...there is no free-will.

The closes you come to free-will is that after God regenerates you...you freely go to Jesus. If God doesn't grant you the ability to believe you can't go.

Without free-will, there is no salvation.

 

[EmSw]

Are we through with talking about Swedenborg now?

Nah, I am enjoying this.

 

[-57]

Yes, time conditioned, a cultural moment. Not an "eternal" truth that salvation cannot be found outside of that name.

Amida is not concerned, so relax. Amida knows that the letter kills but the spirit gives life, and with Shakespeare that a "rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Amida looks at and knows the heart and will take such into account if the wrong name is used.

EDIT:- just to anticipate and as I am off to bed, regarding the apostles speaking "as inspired by the spirit", the Christian ( Catholic ) Paul F Knitter discusses this in his various books on Religious pluralism. The problems are not insurmountable.

Thank you

Amida is not Jesus.

 

[-57]

I see you don't believe the words of Jesus.

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Do I need to say it again? The Judgement seat of Christ isn't about salvation.

 

[Fizzywig]

Amida is not Jesus.

Hi, please read my posts 102 and 103 on the "one for Israel" thread. They will help to clarify my own position.

Thank you.

(You will see that your own post 190 above is a case in point)

 

[EmSw]

Do I need to say it again? The Judgement seat of Christ isn't about salvation.

Perhaps you are speaking of the judgment of the sheep and goats, which is based upon works. And yes, the result is either inheritance of the kingdom (salvation) or everlasting fire (condemnation).

 

[-57]

Perhaps you are speaking of the judgment of the sheep and goats, which is based upon works. And yes, the result is either inheritance of the kingdom (salvation) or everlasting fire (condemnation).

If it's your desire to be judged on your works rather than the works Christ did for you...have at it.

 

[-57]

Perhaps you are speaking of the judgment of the sheep and goats, which is based upon works. And yes, the result is either inheritance of the kingdom (salvation) or everlasting fire (condemnation).

Can you present the chapter and verse you have in mind..this way we can once again look at the context and determine if it fits your theology.

 

[Albion]

Nah, I am enjoying this.

I'm not against the thread going forward, if that's how it seemed.

But freewill vs election (discussed for the umpteenth time) isn't getting us talking about Swedenborg, is it?

 

[EmSw]

If it's your desire to be judged on your works rather than the works Christ did for you...have at it.

Sorry, you won't find any scripture saying you are judged on Christ's works; YOU ARE JUDGED ON YOUR OWN WORKS!

 

[EmSw]

Can you present the chapter and verse you have in mind..this way we can once again look at the context and determine if it fits your theology.

You really don't know about the judgment of the sheep and goats? Try Matthew 25:31-46.

BTW, they weren't judged on Christ's works, but their own.

 

[EmSw]

I'm not against the thread going forward, if that's how it seemed.

But freewill vs election (discussed for the umpteenth time) isn't getting us talking about Swedenborg, is it?

Swedenborg had quite a bit to say about free-will.

 

[Chesterton]

I'm not against the thread going forward, if that's how it seemed.

But freewill vs election (discussed for the umpteenth time) isn't getting us talking about Swedenborg, is it?

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[Deadworm]

Karl Barth is the most famous and prolific Protestant theologian of the 20th century and the author of many volumes. He once responded to his critics in this memorable way: "I don't ask people to agree with me. I don't even ask them to read me. But if they're going to criticize me, I want them to read me, and preferably all of me." This thread is a typical example of the utter lack of fair=mindedness and intellectual integrity of many conservative Christians. Swedenborg was a prolific author with unprecedented high quality verifications of his spiritual gifts. Yet none of his critics on this thread have the decency to actually read him or, at least, a book about his views and experiences before either criticizing him or deliberately causing the thread to digress from its topic.