chad kincham
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Here we ago again.
Here is the data which shows that while the troposphere is warming up the lower stratosphere has been cooling.
This is the characteristic signature of AGW and cannot be explained by changes in solar activity.
If solar activity is sole mechanism for global warming both the troposphere and lower stratosphere would be in phase and the temperature would increase in both.
Here is the 1967 paper which predicted the lower stratosphere would cool due to human action decades before AGW became topical let alone politicized.
Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Given Distribution of Relative Humidity in: Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 24 Issue 3 (1967)
Here is a simplified explanation (minus the thermodynamics) of how AGW causes the lower stratosphere to cool.
Global Warming Denial: Is there a good argument?
Yes, here we go again. Before I address your charts...
Here we ago again.
Here is the data which shows that while the troposphere is warming up the lower stratosphere has been cooling.
This is the characteristic signature of AGW and cannot be explained by changes in solar activity.
If solar activity is sole mechanism for global warming both the troposphere and lower stratosphere would be in phase and the temperature would increase in both.
Here is the 1967 paper which predicted the lower stratosphere would cool due to human action decades before AGW became topical let alone politicized.
Thermal Equilibrium of the Atmosphere with a Given Distribution of Relative Humidity in: Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 24 Issue 3 (1967)
Here is a simplified explanation (minus the thermodynamics) of how AGW causes the lower stratosphere to cool.
Global Warming Denial: Is there a good argument?
Before I address your charts and graphs:
The claim of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is that carbon dioxide, though it’s only 4% of the greenhouse effect, nevertheless can drive global warming as if it were 95% of the greenhouse effect, and increase global temperature enough to cause catastrophic warming that can drown the planet with melting polar ice.
How much of a temperature increase are they trying to stop? 1 degree? 2 degrees? Let’s go way past the 1 to 1.5 degrees of warming they want to prevent, and say they are trying to stop a 3 degree rise.
Well, the unequivocal data shows the earth was 4 degrees warmer for 3,000 years - with no catastrophic events - which absolutely falsifies that part of global warming alarmism. 4 degrees increase is safe for the planet.
The other part of global warming alarmism is of course that carbon dioxide emissions drive up the earth’s temperature - yet the data shows clearly that CO2 levels always lag behind temperature rise, and thus there’s no way possible for it to cause temperature to increase, when it instead reacts to temperature increase.
This fact coupled with unarguable data that CO2 levels were ten times higher in the past, again with no catastrophic events, and no comparable temperature increase, falsifies the need to lower carbon emissions significantly - they could instead increase ten times, and the planet will be fine.
Given these absolute facts, no amount of manipulated charts, graphs, or other data, and no magical feedback loops which impossibly cause a gas that reacts to temperature change, to instead cause temperature change, can un-falsify climate alarmist propaganda.
As to your charts and graphs, about half of the articles in truth telling websites such as realclimatescience.com deals with manipulation of data.
There are today a lot of sources countering global alarmist manipulation of facts. This came out today from CBN.news exposing manipulation of temperature data, by the use of - you guessed it - graphs and charts:
I could post links again to videos from sources such as the 49 NASA astronauts and scientists refuting the claim that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and many others, but why bother?
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