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surprise surprise...problems with sexuality.

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First of all, I want to say hello. I'm new, and this is my first time posting here.

Some background info: I'm a young man, at the age of 20. I go to college. I'm in the music program here at the University of Louisville. I play the violin. Right now I'm on summer break so I have a lot of free time, even though I work nearly 30 hours a week. I've been a christian for a few years now, even though I've never been a dedicated one until recently. I am a non-denominational christian. I attend Southeast Christian, if any of y'all have heard about it.

Some additional info that pertains to this thread. I'm a virgin, and outside of a couple of innocent childhood interactions with other kids my age*, I've never done anything sexual with another person in my life. I've also never been in a relationship, for several reasons.

*(like 4 years old...we didn't know what we were doing and we quickly learned it was wrong)

While I may be physically clean, I'm far from being mentally clean. I struggle rather intensely with lust. I don't even have to actively think about it, it'll just randomly pop in my head. I'll be walking down the street, and I'll see an attractive girl, and I'm automatically thinking about...well, what I would like to do with her but haven't yet. Quite vividly as well. I can treat females with the utmost respect, and I have a lot of female friends, good ones, and I can control my actions. In fact I'm impressed with my own ability to suppress my desires and not act on them. But that doesn't make me without sin in that regard.

For if I even think about it, I'm already doing it in my heart.

The worst part is that I have almost no control over it. My sex drive is driving me up a wall. It has led to other actions, namely masturbation. The problem, is that while I physically do not interact with others, my intense attraction builds up and creates an incredible amount of tension. So...the only way I know how to alleviate this is by masturbating. Another problem arises: I lust while doing that. The whole "fantasizing" thing comes into play. And I'll admit, that while I'm not a regular watcher of it, I have watched pornography and sometimes still do. I've done "experiments" to see how long I could go without watching. I can go a long time, but I always want to go back. I believe that if I were married, it wouldn't be an issue, granted that my wife and I had a good sex life.

Another problem is that I've convinced myself that masturbation is the only thing keeping my sex drive in check. Maybe it's true, but it's still taking the "lesser of two evils" approach.

The problem is only getting worse as I get older. I really don't know what to to do curb it any longer, other than maybe getting castrated! Kidding, but seriously. I don't know what to do. Luckilly I've not done anything physically with a woman (or a man!) that I would regret later. But I would like to be guilt free and in complete and total control. If that's not possible, then I still need to do something...

Is there any advice or insight as to what I may be able to do?

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Firstly, welcome to CF. :) I hope you find the support here to help you through.

Next, you are not alone! It is normal to experience these feelings.. as a young man who has no experience with the opposite sex, your body and your hormones are all encouraging you to reproduce as soon as possible.
That doesn't make it right to entertain the thoughts... but being tempted is not sin. And the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

When these thoughts come, take them to God. He won't be shocked.. He knew anyway!
Try to find things that can distract you, and use up the restlessness that these feelings create... physical exercise is usually a good one!

You might want to look at the pornography support forum too - you will find a very suportive community there.

Praying for you, brother . :hug:
 
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Firstly, welcome to CF. I hope you find the support here to help you through.

Next, you are not alone! It is normal to experience these feelings.. as a young man who has no experience with the opposite sex, your body and your hormones are all encouraging you to reproduce as soon as possible.
That doesn't make it right to entertain the thoughts... but being tempted is not sin. And the Bible says:


When these thoughts come, take them to God. He won't be shocked.. He knew anyway!
Try to find things that can distract you, and use up the restlessness that these feelings create... physical exercise is usually a good one!

You might want to look at the pornography support forum too - you will find a very suportive community there.

Praying for you, brother .

I actually exercise a ton. It does help relieve stress. I probably would have even more tension and touch even more to relieve it if I didn't exercise as much as I do. I sometimes run as much as 20 miles in one week. I also swim a lot. So, expending that energy and getting those endorphins definitely helps. But I still have those issues.

The main problem is my thoughts. I simply cannot control them. I can attempt to think about other things but even then, those sexual cravings are on the back of my mind. Of course I think that's how it is with any man really. I CAN control my actions though. Well, as far as sexual interaction with others goes. Masturbation is becoming almost like a bodily function for me, which is probably a bad sign. But that's about it.


I try to entertain the thoughts the least amount possible. I actually think masturbation helps with this. It sort of helps to calm my drive, especially if I have to be around young women later. HOWEVER, ideally I wouldn't have to do that at all. I just don't know how to go about making it so.

I've tried to just purge it all in reading the bible and studying god's word at times. The problem is that sometimes I feel so much sexual tension that it becomes incredibly distracting.



I know that what I'm feeling is technically normal and even in some circles "healthy", but I don't exactly feel pure in my thoughts.

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Too few people, especially those young and single, have sorted out what a normal human sex drive is and what is actually wrong. As a result, most of their natural, God given sexuality is deemed to be lust. That's just crazy, but that verse in Matthew is so badly understood that it is too easy to have that verse as a constant tormentor.

Have you ever tried to make a distinction between normal single sexuality and genuine lust?

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Too few people, especially those young and single, have sorted out what a normal human sex drive is and what is actually wrong. As a result, most of their natural, God given sexuality is deemed to be lust. That's just crazy, but that verse in Matthew is so badly understood that it is too easy to have that verse as a constant tormentor.

Have you ever tried to make a distinction between normal single sexuality and genuine lust?

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I actually have a theory.

That lust isn't merely finding a woman to be sexually attractive or even thinking about it. That it might actually entail the pursuit and the actual desire for those things.

I may like thinking about women in a certain way sometimes...but I know that I wouldn't actually do the activities...probably more out of being a wimp than morality, and I also actively make an effort to stay away from actually physically doing sexual acts. And it has worked so far.

But I'm torn between actually believing if what I've done is wrong or if I should consider myself ok and just be happy with my situation and know that I've managed to stay away from committing those acts.
 
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You are on the right track and are doing OK.

Here is what some scholars Christians have written about that verse in Matthew.

This single sentence is among the most damagingly misunderstood in the entire scriptural record. Much hinges on a proper translation of the key phrase pros to epithymesai. Most modem translations miss the critical dimension of intent that is implicit here. For example, the NRSV reads "everyone who looks at a woman with lust" compare the NIV - "anyone who looks at a woman lustfully." The KJV actually captures the nuance more adequately: "whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her." Donald Hagner has it just about right: "everyone who looks at a woman with the purpose of lusting after her" (Matthew 1-13, 119). Guelich translates the phrase "in order to desire having her (sexually)," emphasizing the aspect of possession of what belongs to another (Sermon on the Mount, 193-94).

This small matter of exegesis and translation is no small matter at all. The more common and less accurate translation has contributed greatly to an idealistic/unrealistic rendering of Jesus' teaching. If Jesus is saying that the first spark of attraction one has to another person is the equivalent of the act of adultery, then surely the average adult---especially the average male-has committed many such acts. If so, the teaching of Jesus is intended simply to shame us or to show us how far we are from the perfection he demands.

However, this is not the nature of Jesus' teaching. If we read his teaching instead as concrete direction concerning how to do God's will and thus enjoy kingdom existence here and now, then he must mean something like what the Greek text actually seems to say. Jesus is identifying an act of human will (or a pattern of human willfulness) which leads us in the direction of violating God's will and thus ensnaring ourselves in misery.

An accurate description of this process or pattern of behavior would begin with the acknowledgment that precisely because we are embodied sexual selves, sexual attraction is an inescapable dimension of human existence. We are drawn mysteriously to the physical beauty and form of others, certain others in particular. When we encounter people who for whatever reason of face, shape or form are particularly appealing to us, we frequently experience a momentary frisson of excitement, a spark of attraction. This appears to be part of the created order and should not be identified as sinful [FONT=&quot](d. [/FONT]Allison, Sermon on the Mount, 73-74). (It should also be noted that we are sometimes drawn to the inner beauty of others; a different path that can have the same result.)
[FONT=&quot]Kingdom Ethics By Stassen & Gushee[/FONT]


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Your hormones are raging, young man!! That is how your body was created. You're trying to turn off a natural function. Pray and thank God that you have not yet had a sexual interaction with another. Ask Him for guidance and wisdom in living your life.

I think the men who struggle with pornography forum would be of great benefit to you. I know some men who are addicted to pornography and it has effected their relationships with those they love--even led to divorce in some.

You are in my prayers!!! Welcome to the recovery forum. God loves you just as you are.

There is nothing you can do to make Him love you anymore and there is nothing you can do to make Him love you any less. Take comfort in this thought.
 
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I'll be walking down the street, and I'll see an attractive girl, and I'm automatically thinking about...well, what I would like to do with her but haven't yet. Quite vividly as well. I can treat females with the utmost respect, and I have a lot of female friends, good ones, and I can control my actions. In fact I'm impressed with my own ability to suppress my desires and not act on them. But that doesn't make me without sin in that regard.

It seems to me that you need to renew your attitude about women and their bodies. You're supposed to notice the beauty of women, but you are not supposed lust after them.

Paul told us that we could be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:1-2). When we change what we believe and think, it will change our lives.

I would like to share with you a resource that may help you do that. Some friends of mine and I have put together a new website to battle the lies our culture has fed us regarding the human body. These lies have led innumerable men and women into bondage about their bodies, their sexuality, pornography and lust.

You'll find it at MyChainsAreGone.org (see the link in my signature).

There is real hope for freedom, Brother.

By HIS Grace,

Pastor Ed
 
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