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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Surely this cannot be allowed...
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I agree with regard to the decorum shown by the vicar. However, I suspect that this is a youth mass, where such behavior really isn't all that uncommon.
Our rock band is much better.
I don't why we should be restricted to the 15th century hymns and musical instruments.
In any case, when I was in the RCC, I recall that in our Pentecost Vigil, our priest danced down the aisles. I do find it sad that there are those who cannot accept the OT examples of music and dancing before the Lord.
Our rock band is much better.
I don't why we should be restricted to the 15th century hymns and musical instruments.
In any case, when I was in the RCC, I recall that in our Pentecost Vigil, our priest danced down the aisles. I do find it sad that there are those who cannot accept the OT examples of music and dancing before the Lord.
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What does the 15th century have to do with anything? I've been in several parishes that took music very seriously, and by no means was it all "old". In fact sometimes it was brand new and had never been used by anyone before.
I do think there is a tendency to use somewhat older hymns, as so many of the modern ones are not suited for congregational singing or have banal texts.
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As long as none of them opt to dance as King David did before the ark of God cos I doubt a small strip of linen would have covered all that much. :o
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Ever been to a U2 Eucharist? That is the awesomest.
What's up with everyone? I think we need to lighten up and meet people where they are, that doesn't mean we have to give up a choral Eucharist but variety is the spice of life. Make a joyful noise!
What's up with everyone? I think we need to lighten up and meet people where they are, that doesn't mean we have to give up a choral Eucharist but variety is the spice of life. Make a joyful noise!
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I really can't see an issue here. It is attitudes like this being "disgusting" with nothing to back it up with that turned me away from the Anglican church(but not the faith) for years! After attending a Baptist church, and then no church at all, I have only(very) recently found a CofE Church I am comfortable with again. I praise God I have! If something is bringing people to God, what does it matter if it's not to everyone's taste?
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I think the 'street preacher' analogy works quite well here. I've no idea how many souls your typical street preacher wins for Christ - let's be charitable and say 1 in 100. "Marvellous," some might say, "That is one more member for Christ's flock and though we might not agree with the methods used, surely we should rejoice in that this one person is saved."
The problem comes however when you start to consider how many people have not engaged with this method of evangelism, or worse how many have positively to reject the faith as a result of the preacher. Personally I suspect (though I am without proof) that the number of people who are repelled from the faith as a result of result of street preaching exceed the number of souls won.
I have many friends who I've found it difficult to convince to come to church because the stereotype of 'Christians trying to be cool' is so persistent.
Now I'm not at all suggesting that there should be a uniform approach to mission. We are all individuals and respond to different things. However it is important that when we think what sort of outreach we don't just consider how small groups of individuals are going to interpret the message, but how the whole community will.
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