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Supposing I returned

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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.



What about those outside?
Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans?


I know, I know, these are "ask your priest" questions, but I speak to you as lay persons and your experience.

As for now, I trust in the mercy of God and wait for Him to force me if need be.
 
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I have seen a couple of people I know return to the church (one I originally sponsered & the other I served as witness for the crowning of marriage sacrament). They were welcomed back into the church. Whatever personal spiritual issues they may need to address (I know i always have to deal with the same) they seem glad to be back.
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.



What about those outside?
Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans?


I know, I know, these are "ask your priest" questions, but I speak to you as lay persons and your experience.

As for now, I trust in the mercy of God and wait for Him to force me if need be.

You would hopefully be treated as I was when I came back: warmly welcomed and put right back to the chalice.

Not communing at other churches doesn't mean that we have to cut all ties with them, especially when they are our friends. That would not be a very charitable thing to do to them.
 
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At the very most extreme, Chrismation, possibly by confession and public profession of faith. Maybe just confession. We have no way of knowing since I don't know your priest/bishop and the circumstances surrounding your leaving for Anglicanism. Either way, no one would throw dirt at you. Why would anyone do that? Welcome back. We've missed you. Now go over there so we can beat you up? Doubtful.

How did the Father welcome back the prodigal?
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.

LoL, what? At my parish you'd go to Confession on Saturday and be back at the chalice on Sunday. Some other priests might have you wait a few weeks before you went back to Communion, but that's all, I think. I've never heard of someone put under "some kind of special watch" or made to a "great penitence." How could you "forever be marked an apostate?" You wouldn't be an apostate. We're glad when people return.

As other said, look how the prodigal son was treated when he returned.
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate. No
Made to undertake great penitence. No
Placed under some kind of special watch. No



What about those outside?
Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans? (not sure what you mean here)

I know, I know, these are "ask your priest" questions, but I speak to you as lay persons and your experience.

As for now, I trust in the mercy of God and wait for Him to force me if need be.

For anything further, yes, AYP. There are many ways to "leave" the Church, but we are always welcomed back. What that entails I can't say in your case, though I highly doubt that "penance" is part of it.

If by "clean cut from the Anglicans" you mean not Communing, then yes. If you mean no associating, then of course not! If I couldn't associate (even sometimes attend a service) with non-Orthodox, I couldn't associate with my own family! :)

Mary
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.
With confession and reception of the Eucharist most likely.

Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans?
You would no longer partake of Anglican sacraments, that's about it.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.

I think you are confusing the Orthodox Church with a cult.
 
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yes.

I know about not-communing.


There is a whole array of externals which make a return impossible, or seem not possible, or rather, not 'expedient'.
I think things would be much better if there were more stability in my life.

This is probably something I'll just ride out. But thanks for your replies.
 
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yes.

I know about not-communing.


There is a whole array of externals which make a return impossible, or seem not possible, or rather, not 'expedient'.
I think things would be much better if there were more stability in my life.

This is probably something I'll just ride out. But thanks for your replies.
Without any context I don't know what we're supposed to make of this, but be well.
 
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yes.

I know about not-communing.


There is a whole array of externals which make a return impossible, or seem not possible, or rather, not 'expedient'.
I think things would be much better if there were more stability in my life.

This is probably something I'll just ride out. But thanks for your replies.


The Church isn't going anywhere and will still be there to happily welcome you back should you decide to return.
 
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I have no idea, but from what else I do know - as a brother, I hope and guess. Then again, i hope and guess it would be the same if you didn't return. There's no need for you to be especially marked as a sinner - we know you're one. We know we all are. You'd probably have to pick up from where you were when you left.
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.

How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.



What about those outside?
Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans?


I know, I know, these are "ask your priest" questions, but I speak to you as lay persons and your experience.

As for now, I trust in the mercy of God and wait for Him to force me if need be.
Well, I don't have experience in that because I haven't really done it. But anyhow, you would simply go to the priest and explain you're interested in returning. There is, actually a man who used to go to our church and converted to Orthodoxy from Anglicanism or Episcopalian, can't remember which, but then there were many family (spousal) issues and such and then moving out of state for a job, I think (I don't know all the details. We're not busybodies in our church :D), but the point is, he left the Orthodox Church and came back a year or so later. He talked with Father, and I suppose everything went well after that. I just noticed him back visiting in town last year, and then he came back again ,and all that, and well, he's a member again.
 
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Suppose I returned to Orthodoxy.
How would I be 'welcomed'.

Forever marked an apostate.
Made to undertake great penitence.
Placed under some kind of special watch.

No to the three in red. If you returned, you'd be received through profession of faith and chrismation. Traditionally this would include a special chrismation either for Anglicans, or for former Orthodox.

For a friend of mine who left Roman Catholicism, there is a special chrismation "service" which is the normal service, but that asks the person to renounce specific doctrines in the Roman Catholic faith. There might be one for Anglicans or one for former Orthodox, but I don't know. I only see this done for a chrismation of just 1 or 2 people, if it's multiple then I think the Priest uses the standard service of chrismation.

As an example of this "specific chrismation service" that is done for Roman Catholics (and possibly others), it'd basically be like:
Q. Do you renounce the incorrect dogma of the procession of the Holy Spirit from both the Father and the Son equally? (usually it's longer and more specific than this)
A. I renounce it

Q. Do you renounce the incorrect dogma of the supremacy of the Pope over all Christians and that only he is given the legacy of St. Peter and his confession? (again, not actually what it says exactly, but kinda similar and longer)
A. I renounce it

and so on with other doctrines like Papal Infallibility, Purgatory etc...

I don't know, but they may have something like this for Anglicans. But it's up to the Priest whether or not it does that specific chrismation or does the standard.

What about those outside?
I don't understand this? If you mean your Anglican friends, there isn't any issue, you don't have to give up friends just to be Orthodox. I still regularly visit with my Protestant friends & family frequently.

Would I have to make a clean cut from the Anglicans?
Yes, by this I mean you could still attend Anglican services, but you can't take communion nor any other sacraments. You also cannot serve in their church (like as an altar server, deacon etc...) and I think every Priest would advise that you be very cautious not to sing hymns/pray prayers that are heretical (with many Anglican groups this may not be too difficult, with the more liberal groups it may be tough).

I know, I know, these are "ask your priest" questions, but I speak to you as lay persons and your experience.
As for now, I trust in the mercy of God and wait for Him to force me if need be.
In my experience, I've been Orthodox for 4 years now, and I've still attended Protestant services and a Roman Catholic service. I still regularly attend dinners with my family members and friends from my old Protestant Church.
However, even if I attend church with my family members, I always make sure to be careful about the hymns I'm singing and I'll simply stop if it is theologically compromising. Same for prayers, I'll bow my head out of respect, but I typically don't necessarily pray "with" the leader as he does. The exceptions to this are the Creed & Our Father, and with the Creed I obviously omit the "and the Son".

However, that said, attending Orthodox services is the single priority. I wouldn't skip going to a Liturgy on a Sunday just to go to a Protestant or Catholic service.
 
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Thank you for your replies.

I apologise that in creating this thread I was actually 'thinking out loud'.
There are various factors which I am having to balance and I know that the Dewi from just four years ago would have been shocked with the situation I am in now.

I returned to Anglicanism, not for any doctrinal or theological reason.
I left Orthodoxy aware of my own apostasy. Aware, indeed confessing, the sacraments of Orthodoxy. Rather, I left for Anglicanism for the benefit of the English people.
I saw Orthodoxy as failing or being very sluggish in mission.

As for Anglican orders. Well, I take the view of a Roman friend of mine.
They are valid for Anglicans...but not transferable.

So yes, I am Anglican but not for reason of 'orthodoxy' (small 'o'), but rather because of the conversion of the British which I perceived was not really possible in Greek Orthodoxy.
Also, I trust(ed) that the Holy Spirit is present in the Church of England. In an organic sense, it is the [folk] religion of England. Therefore, can its members [by default, i.e. born into it] be blamed?
 
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Thank you for your replies.

I apologise that in creating this thread I was actually 'thinking out loud'.
There are various factors which I am having to balance and I know that the Dewi from just four years ago would have been shocked with the situation I am in now.

I returned to Anglicanism, not for any doctrinal or theological reason.
I left Orthodoxy aware of my own apostasy. Aware, indeed confessing, the sacraments of Orthodoxy. Rather, I left for Anglicanism for the benefit of the English people.
I saw Orthodoxy as failing or being very sluggish in mission.

As for Anglican orders. Well, I take the view of a Roman friend of mine.
They are valid for Anglicans...but not transferable.

So yes, I am Anglican but not for reason of 'orthodoxy' (small 'o'), but rather because of the conversion of the British which I perceived was not really possible in Greek Orthodoxy.
Also, I trust(ed) that the Holy Spirit is present in the Church of England. In an organic sense, it is the [folk] religion of England. Therefore, can its members [by default, i.e. born into it] be blamed?

Well, I know some Orthodox people who consider C.S. Lewis (Anglican) to be some kind of saint, so I think that many would agree that the workings of the Holy Spirit aren't absent within the Church of England. As I've said before: True Christians are those who hear the words of Jesus Christ and keep them. Many have succeeded at this call within Holy Orthodoxy because of the Way of Life provided for them within the Church. But dying to oneself is the stuff that this Life is made of, and there is nothing more difficult -- NOTHING! Hence the saying, "Many are called, but few are chosen".

I myself feel that my best chance for victory in this war I've chosen to wage against my own sinful self is to fight it within the Orthodox Church. But in my case, God Himself called me from atheism into the Orthodox Church through the miracle of a wonderworking icon that is held by the Orthodox. Where else would I go? But you will make your own choices according to God's design.

May He be with you always.
 
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remember the Paschal Homily of St John Chrysostom, that He accepts the last as the first. yeah, there might be something that the priest would have you do, but you should/would be welcomed with open arms.
 
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