Apparently, for conservative Christians--it's socialism, don't you know.
A poster is deeply lacerated.Implying? No. Statements of fact are never implied.
I think that was the point.
You proposed giving up state-sanctioned murder, which is obviously a moral issue, in return for a choice of political concessions you labelled "Christian issues" as though Christianity were essentially a political movement rather than a religion.
Countries Where Abortion Is Illegal 2020Suppose the Left was willing to give you abortion--no questions asked, you could write any laws about it you wanted. Which of the other "hot button" Christian issues would you be willing to give in return? Gun control? Single-payer health care? Amnesty for Central American refugees? Politics is the art of compromise. What have you got to offer?
Evangelical Christianity appears to be primarily a political movement, unfortunately.I think that was the point.
You proposed giving up state-sanctioned murder, which is obviously a moral issue, in return for a choice of political concessions you labelled "Christian issues" as though Christianity were essentially a political movement rather than a religion.
Ok. West Virginia?Nope. I'm Appalachian.
Don't blame me if you volunteered for it. All of those issues are championed by Trump's right wing Christian supporters and few others. But maybe it's just a coincidence. As I said above, you can think of them as Social Conservative issues instead, if you like.I think that was the point.
You proposed giving up state-sanctioned murder, which is obviously a moral issue, in return for a choice of political concessions you labelled "Christian issues" as though Christianity were essentially a political movement rather than a religion.
They're political issues, not religious ones.Don't blame me if you volunteered for it. All of those issues are championed by Trump's right wing Christian supporters and few others.
No, it's not a surprise, nor is it a surprise that under those circumstances biblical justification is used to promote those issues. It is somewhat disappointing that those on the other side of any of them are denounced as not "real" Christians. Altogether I would have to say that if any of those issues have been identified as specifically Christian issues in the present political climate it is Trump's Christian supporters who have created that impression. Yes, it is possible to be a Christian, even a conservative Christian, without insisting that Jesus hates gun control or thinks global warming is a hoax, but we are talking political reality, not theoretical considerations of doctrine.They're political issues, not religious ones.
And here's something to think about for a moment...religion is a characteristic of political conservatism, so it's not a big surprise that many Christians are also political moderates or conservatives.
Yes, it is possible to be a Christian, even a conservative Christian, without insisting that Jesus hates gun control or thinks global warming is a hoax, but we are talking political reality, not theoretical considerations of doctrine.
It's not me who is inserting it. I personally believe that all of the issues I mentioned except for abortion and LGBTs are secular political issues. It's not me who has made them a litmus test of Christianity.I didn't think the OP could be made even less in synch with reality, but this modification does it. All that this change does is insert Jesus into the still-political question being asked.
You did write Post #32, right?It's not me who is inserting it.
Yes, it is possible to be a Christian, even a conservative Christian, without insisting that Jesus hates gun control or thinks global warming is a hoax, but we are talking political reality, not theoretical considerations of doctrine.
It's an observation of a certain political faction, not something I am imposing on them.You did write Post #32, right?
Aside from the fact that "a certain political faction" was not the subject of the OP...It's an observation of a certain political faction, not something I am imposing on them.
Which of the other "hot button" Christian issues would you be willing to give in return? Gun control? Single-payer health care? Amnesty for Central American refugees?
Don't be coy--we both know that we are not talking about Christians "in general."Aside from the fact that "a certain political faction" was not the subject of the OP...
...of course it was the case that the concessions you suggested be made by Christians in general were all political POVs and policies, not religious ones.
See both points in this excerpt from the OP--
At least two points on your list are not just yes-no, or on-off subjects.With gun control and global warming action there could be -- and would be -- a lot of discussion about how much and what type of control / action would be given. There is a whole broad continuum of measures possible with these subjectsThe "wish list" of Trump's Christian Right supporters:
No abortion
No "out" LGBTs
No amnesty for Central American refugees
No gun control
No single-payer health care
No action on global warming
No DACA
...etc.
I understand the positions to be that with gun control, any control at all is part of a conspiracy to disarm the populace entirely and with global warming that it's nothing but a hoax to allow the imposition of an atheist totalitarian government. So in a way those are yes/no questions as well.At least two points on your list are not just yes-no, or on-off subjects.With gun control and global warming action there could be -- and would be -- a lot of discussion about how much and what type of control / action would be given. There is a whole broad continuum of measures possible with these subjects