Superiority

[JGG]

Superior huh? As a Christian I don't see myself superior in any way, in fact I purposely put myself below all others even muslums and such because love cares far more about the sake of others than himself and Jesus himself the king of kings the all powerful God put himself lower than us sinners he came as a servant to us even though he was far superior.

My life is far less than that of others no matter who they are what they have done how cruel and evil their hearts are or what religion because they are all extremely precious and beautiful to God more important to him than his own throne. If a Christian is morally superior then explain why there is such little love in so many so called Christians hearts explain to me how judgmental and how mocking and how self loving so may are. I have seen very few who are as you claim and I have seen many many People who bear the title Christian.

I don't think it's for me to explain.

 

[JGG]

I don't know if I'd say that every individual Muslim is less moral than every individual Christian...that's a pretty far stretch.
However, I would say that Christianity as a faith is much more moral than Islam as a faith.
Have you ever looked into the Koran?

Average Christian vs. an average Muslim.

 

[JGG]

For instance:

It's a hypothetical scenario I think I read in a book a long time ago - you're traveling to a town, but you're having to walk a long way through the woods to get there. It's snowing, temperature's below freezing, and you have to stop for the night. A man you came across earlier told you there are two cabins up ahead with warm fire and food. You asked him about who lived in them, and he replied that he didn't know either of the occupants, except it was known that one man was an atheist (cabin A), and the other man was a Christian (cabin B). That's all you know. Another thing, you're carrying a bag with your life savings in gold coins, so if you're going to sleep you'd like to be able to trust the person who's offering you hospitality not to murder you and/or steal your money. Which cabin would you go to?

 

[FireHeart]

I don't think it's for me to explain.

There is christianity there is christians but there are is a very huge difference between those who say they are Christians and a true Christian. can you explain to me what it really means to be a Christian?

 

[JGG]

There is christianity there is christians but there are is a very huge difference between those who say they are Christians and a true Christian. can you explain to me what it really means to be a Christian?

Also not for me to explain or speculate. I've discovered that all Christians have a completely different idea of what a True Christian is (it tends to be the person answering at the time). It's not for me to decide.

 

[FireHeart]

For instance:

It's a hypothetical scenario I think I read in a book a long time ago - you're traveling to a town, but you're having to walk a long way through the woods to get there. It's snowing, temperature's below freezing, and you have to stop for the night. A man you came across earlier told you there are two cabins up ahead with warm fire and food. You asked him about who lived in them, and he replied that he didn't know either of the occupants, except it was known that one man was an atheist (cabin A), and the other man was a Christian (cabin B). That's all you know. Another thing, you're carrying a bag with your life savings in gold coins, so if you're going to sleep you'd like to be able to trust the person who's offering you hospitality not to murder you and/or steal your money. Which cabin would you go to?

considering I know neither of those ppls hearts i cannot base my decision of if they are Christian or not

 

[JGG]

considering I know neither of those ppls hearts i cannot base my decision of if they are Christian or not

That's not how the True Christian answered. Are you sure you're a True True Christian (tm)?

 

[FireHeart]

Also not for me to explain or speculate. I've discovered that all Christians have a completely different idea of what a True Christian is.

see that is the problem, there are many different idea on what it means to be a Christian but there is only one way to actually be one.

Unless you have a deep love in your heart for both God and all others you will never know what it really means to be a Christian. A true Christian has a very deep and intimate love with God for God and for all others, a true Christian si willing to go to extreme lengths for the sake love and protection of another person no matter who they are what they have done how evil they are ect. A true Christian has a very deep love longing hunger and desire for God, that heart that has this will be evident as clear as day merely by speaking that heart that has true love in them a love that comes from God's heart alone will be shown secrets and wonders they have never known they will begin to truly see through God's eyes their hearts will begin to morph into him desiring what he desires seeing ppl as he does and they begin to feel what he feels they connect to him in a way where it's almost as if their hearts have become one.

As it stands I myself will suffer in the very fires of hell itself for a time for sake of one child of his no matter how cruel or evil they are no matter what they have done or what religion. Out of a deep love and for their sake I will go to those extremes because Jesus was more than willing to go even further than that.

 

[FireHeart]

That's not how the True Christian answered. Are you sure you're a True True Christian (tm)?

You don't know what means to be a true Christian. Do you know what it takes to be a true Christian? are you willing to accept the costs? no matter how greatly or severely you might have to suffer for God's sake and for all others? How far are you yourself willing to go for the sake of another person?

Without a deep love for God and for all others our faith will fail

 

[TheBarrd]

Sure. When I stop getting shoved into boxes.

Still waiting...

Why do you think you are getting shoved into boxes?

 

[JGG]

see that is the problem, there are many different idea on what it means to be a Christian but there is only one way to actually be one.

Does it happen to be your way?

Unless you have a deep love in your heart for both God and all others you will never know what it really means to be a Christian. A true Christian has a very deep and intimate love with God for God and for all others, a true Christian si willing to go to extreme lengths for the sake love and protection of another person no matter who they are what they have done how evil they are ect. A true Christian has a very deep love longing hunger and desire for God, that heart that has this will be evident as clear as day merely by speaking that heart that has true love in them a love that comes from God's heart alone will be shown secrets and wonders they have never known they will begin to truly see through God's eyes their hearts will begin to morph into him desiring what he desires seeing ppl as he does and they begin to feel what he feels they connect to him in a way where it's almost as if their hearts have become one.

As it stands I myself will suffer in the very fires of hell itself for a time for sake of one child of his no matter how cruel or evil they are no matter what they have done or what religion. Out of a deep love and for their sake I will go to those extremes because Jesus was more than willing to go even further than that.

That is generous. I asked a question about that once, and nobody answered that way. In fact quite the opposite.

 

[TheBarrd]

see that is the problem, there are many different idea on what it means to be a Christian but there is only one way to actually be one.

Unless you have a deep love in your heart for both God and all others you will never know what it really means to be a Christian. A true Christian has a very deep and intimate love with God for God and for all others, a true Christian si willing to go to extreme lengths for the sake love and protection of another person no matter who they are what they have done how evil they are ect. A true Christian has a very deep love longing hunger and desire for God, that heart that has this will be evident as clear as day merely by speaking that heart that has true love in them a love that comes from God's heart alone will be shown secrets and wonders they have never known they will begin to truly see through God's eyes their hearts will begin to morph into him desiring what he desires seeing ppl as he does and they begin to feel what he feels they connect to him in a way where it's almost as if their hearts have become one.

As it stands I myself will suffer in the very fires of hell itself for a time for sake of one child of his no matter how cruel or evil they are no matter what they have done or what religion. Out of a deep love and for their sake I will go to those extremes because Jesus was more than willing to go even further than that.

You said it very well. And I would agree with you.
But...
Well, there was this one guy, a long time ago...someone he loved very much was facing some rather severe suffering, and this guy bravely promised that he'd go through it right beside his friend.
But when it came right down to it, the guy chickened out...

I wonder if you know who I'm talking about?

 

[JGG]

You don't know what means to be a true Christian. Do you know what it takes to be a true Christian? are you willing to accept the costs? no matter how greatly or severely you might have to suffer for God's sake and for all others? How far are you yourself willing to go for the sake of another person?

Without a deep love for God and for all others our faith will fail

See that's a very different description of what a Christian is from what the True Christian said. And I know that he's a True Christian, because he told me so.

 

[JGG]

You said it very well. And I would agree with you.
But...
Well, there was this one guy, a long time ago...someone he loved very much was facing some rather severe suffering, and this guy bravely promised that he'd go through it right beside his friend.
But when it came right down to it, the guy chickened out...

I wonder if you know who I'm talking about?

Paul Simon.

 

[TheBarrd]

Average Christian vs. an average Muslim.

It's not the "average Muslim" or even the "average Christian" that worries me.
It's the extremists of either faith.
However, Christianity under Jesus Christ doesn't order us to kill anyone who disagrees with us, nor does it give instructions on how to beat a wife.
Again, have you read the Koran?

 

[JGG]

It's not the "average Muslim" or even the "average Christian" that worries me.
It's the extremists of either faith.
However, Christianity under Jesus Christ doesn't order us to kill anyone who disagrees with us, nor does it give instructions on how to beat a wife.
Again, have you read the Koran?

But it does give examples of God's people killing off populations of non-believers, and gives instructions on how to beat a slave. Just as an example.

But, I'm not talking about the extremes, they scare me too. I'm talking about the average Christian, and average Muslim.

I did not finish the Koran, and I believe I had much too flowery a translation for what I did read.

 

[FireHeart]

Does it happen to be your way?



That is generous. I asked a question about that once, and nobody answered that way. In fact quite the opposite.

No not my way God's. when I became saved I told God that if we are going to do this then we are going to go all the way or not at all. I came to him I had no one to teach me how to be a Christian as I had been trapped in my house for years with no way out I had no one so I went to God directly. I asked him to teach me and show me what it really means to be a Christian and I asked him what should i do to be one. His answer was seek love above all else and everything will fall into place.

 

[TheBarrd]

Paul Simon.

LOL...no.
I was thinking of Peter, actually.
He was very brave, there in the upper room at the last supper.
And he did stick by his Friend at Gethsemane. When the Temple police came to arrest Him, Peter drew his sword, and sliced off the leader's ear.

But then, Jesus healed the guy. Amazing, huh? Someone comes to drag you away to be prosecuted, and you reach out and heal the leader after one of your own strikes him?

And when it came down to the trial, well, I think you know the story.
Peter denied even knowing Jesus.

Was he a coward? Or was he just terribly confused?

 

[FireHeart]

You said it very well. And I would agree with you.
But...
Well, there was this one guy, a long time ago...someone he loved very much was facing some rather severe suffering, and this guy bravely promised that he'd go through it right beside his friend.
But when it came right down to it, the guy chickened out...

I wonder if you know who I'm talking about?

Yes I know peter said and did that. I am not afraid of hell It doesn't matter how severe the fire how intense the pain how deep the thirst and how intense the heat I know this with all my heart that when and if that time comes the love for God and all others will be far stronger. even hell itself doesn't even begin to come close to the love God and I will have for him and for his children.

 

[JGG]

No not my way God's.

Okay. But you do recognize that the True Christian also claimed that his way was also God's, right? So, is it far to say that when we say "your way" we mean, "your God's way, not his God's way?"