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I didn't say they were not true. I said they are not all historic/literal.
They are all true in the sense of reflecting people's perception of God. But stories in the Bible have varying degrees of historical accuracy.These stories say specifically that God commanded people to kill, or God directly killed. Are these stories true?
[FONT="] [/FONT]Indeed, Jesus stated that the sabbath was made for man.
That indicates the nature of the sabbath as distinct apart from God's "My rest" that we have entered into.
Hebrews 4
1 ¶ Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
[FONT="]2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, `They shall not enter My rest,'" although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works";
5 and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest."
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience...
[FONT="] [/FONT]Remember that this epistle was addressed to those who had been under the sabbath ordinance for 1500 years of their national life, and yet God's rest (that we who have believed have entered into, verse 3) remained to be attained by Israel. Hebrews 4:4 quotes Genesis 2:2 directly, showing that God's rest recorded in the creation account wasn't the sabbath. Mark 2:27 (your reference) affirms this by stating that the sabbath was made, and wasn't a offshoot of God's rest.
Actually a lot of Christians were keeping the Sabbath, untill Chrisitianity became romanised. Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, isnt that enough?A good reason for Jesus to have re-stated the 4th commandment is that He would have known 99% of Christians in the future would break it if He didn't.
How so?If it actually is important to "rest" on the Sabbath, Jesus really really screwed up by not letting us know...
If you read your Bible from cover to cover, you will see the Sabbath never changed or was done away with.Did the devil just outplay him on this one? Maybe he really can't see into the future? Oh well.
exegesis. In every circumstance Sabbatismos has ALWAYS referred to the weekly Sabbath.As the author of Hebrews wrote, "we who have believed do enter that rest", speaking of an eternal sabbatismos rest the sabbath merely represented. We have no more need of the temporal sabbaton.
Actually a lot of Christians were keeping the Sabbath, untill Chrisitianity became romanised. Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, isnt that enough?
How so?
If you read your Bible from cover to cover, you will see the Sabbath never changed or was done away with.
exegesis. In every circumstance Sabbatismos has ALWAYS referred to the weekly Sabbath.
And when God had the Israelites stone the man that had been found picking up wood on the Sabbath was that to teach him about rest?
Sabbath never changed, but we aren't saved by keeping the old covenant.
Satan would have a hand in changing the day, putting 99% of today's Christians into the lake of fire. Do you really believe God would let Satan outplay him like this?
We are saved by the blood of the lamb.
As Jesus said, 'IF you love me you will keep my commands.'
Jesus says He is Lord of the Sabbath.
My friend, I dont keep the Sabbath because I have to. I do it because I want to. So many Adventists are either too liberal or too legalistic about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day to delight in and set apart.
Who says sunday keepers are going to hell? This is a silly unbiblical belief. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord.
Actually a lot of Christians were keeping the Sabbath, untill Chrisitianity became romanised. Jesus called Himself Lord of the Sabbath, isnt that enough?
If you read your Bible from cover to cover, you will see the Sabbath never changed or was done away with.
Unless the SDA denomination has recently changed announced that intends to officially change its position on the sabbath (in which case I would be thrilled to admit that I am wrong), the SDA denomination teaches that the sabbath will one day become the great dividing line between those who receive the seal of God and those who receive the mark of the beast.
Check out K4C's statement as set out in the original post. It would seem that he views those who go to church on Sunday as being "Sunday worshippers?" Do you view them similarly or differently?
I'm glad that there are people who find sabbath-keeping to be a blessing.
We are saved by the blood of the lamb.
As Jesus said, 'IF you love me you will keep my commands.'
Jesus says He is Lord of the Sabbath.
My friend, I dont keep the Sabbath because I have to. I do it because I want to. So many Adventists are either too liberal or too legalistic about the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day to delight in and set apart.
Who says sunday keepers are going to hell? This is a silly unbiblical belief. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord.
A future SDA minister doesnt believe it. The SDA church is biased. They chop and choose what they like. Eg. They wont eat meat because it says in the health message not to eat meat, yet they will drink as much coffee as they want too??!?
They are my brothers and sisters in Christ. As I said before, the Bible never specifies a day which we have to come together and worship God.
Thanks, the blessing can be yours as well. (Im not trying to make you a sabbath keeper, I am just saying)
lol... on that we agree... though I liked the potluck food usually... and the after dinner conversation....I love the new SDA spin that keeping Saturday "Holy" is somehow a blessing. My first 28 years of life were spent being SDA and I was nothing but annoyed that I couldn't watch TV or listen to non-Christian music on Sabbath. Sitting at boring potlucks did little to make me feel blessed either.
I am very interested where you got this idea, Do you have a refenrence work I can check out.exegesis. In every circumstance Sabbatismos has ALWAYS referred to the weekly Sabbath.
[FONT="][/FONT] [FONT="] [/FONT]I am very interested where you got this idea, Do you have a refenrence work I can check out.
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[FONT="][/FONT]he unique word sabbatismos in Hebrews 4:9 is translated "rest" in the Authorized Version and others; "Sabbath rest" in the New International Version and other modern translations; "Sabbatism" (a transliteration) in the Darby Bible; "Sabbath observance" in the Scriptures 98 Edition; and "Sabbath keeping" in the Bible in Basic English. The word also appears in Plutarch, De Superstitione 3 (Moralia 166A); Justin, Dialogue with Trypho 23:3; Epiphanius, Adversus Haereses 30:2:2; Martyrium Petri et Pauli 1; and Apostolic Constitutions 2:36:2. Andrew Lincoln states, "In each of these places the term denotes the observance or celebration of the Sabbath .... Thus the writer to the Hebrews is saying that since the time of Joshua an observance of the Sabbath rest has been outstanding."
I love the new SDA spin that keeping Saturday "Holy" is somehow a blessing. My first 28 years of life were spent being SDA and I was nothing but annoyed that I couldn't watch TV or listen to non-Christian music on Sabbath. Sitting at boring potlucks did little to make me feel blessed either.
I wouldnt call it a 'spin' How can Sabbath be any different if you dont make it holy? I will admit at times the Sabbath can be a bit of drag. At the moment Sabbath does not close till 8pm it can get a bit dull, at times.
Pherhaps you should of gone to the beach or something, if you found pot lucks were rather boring?
What context are you speaking of? I wrote a paragraph without referring to a context. And, when you speak of Jesus giving the sabbath commandment, are you speaking of Him pre-incarnate when He spoke from the burning bush to Moses?Well we have to look at the context. Why would Jesus command the Sabbath to be kept? It would be like commanding, 'Go on a green light.' Everyone does it, everyone knows about it so for the sake of cultral context Jesus doesnt re-state the 3rd and 4th commandment.
So the testimony Moses gave via rhetorical question concerning the law no other nation had in Deuteronomy 4:8 isn't reliable in your mind?The Babylonians, Assyrians and other cultures were keeping the Sabbath. It was known as a 'bad day to work on'.
Are you suggesting that Jesus Christ delegated the law to someone other than Moses to mediate?Fair enough. Let me ask you a question. What changed when Jesus died on the cross?
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