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K4C: I believe there is a system of false worship that began in Babylon and has spread throughout time right up to our day. In this system of false worship we find many false doctrines entering into the Christian faith such as the state of the dead, Sunday worship, heaven or hell at death, eternal burning hell and so on.
Something made up to support a questionable interpretation of Revelation eschatology....
What is "Sunday worship?"
BFA
This begs the question of "What is Saturday worship?"
What is "Sunday worship?"
BFA
Lol. I used to use that phrase and believed that the 2 billion Christians that go to church on Sunday are somehow worshiping the day. The command given as a sign of the old covenant though was about rest, not worship, and Israel NEVER entered the rest it was symbolic of. Today sabbatarian sects and groups that try to transfer the old to the new, even though they are diametrically opposed to each other, are the ones obsessing and worshiping a 'day'.
What is "Sunday worship?"
BFA
Do you participate in communion service? If so, why?
Is it to remember what Jesus did for us or do you worship the bread and wine?
Keeping the Sabbath holy, as God commands, is not worhiping the day, but rather, worshiping the one who commands us to keep the Sabbath holy.
You can gather in fellowship seven days a week and praise God if you do but you can't keep the seventh day holy seven days a week.
Obeying God over man is foundational for true worship.
Matthew 15:9 Their worship is worthless, for they teach their man-made laws instead of those from God.''
You can't say the Sabbath is seven days a week because the seventh day Sabbath is a literal day in which our sons, daughters, male and female servants, our working animals and even the stanger must cease secular labor as a means to acknowledge the holiness of the seventh day.
Now as far as Sunday worship goes, you ask the question of what is Sunday worship as though you don't know. I have to refer you to my website exposingantichrist.com because it is there that you will see the big picture and the spiritual battle over worship.
Revelation 14:6-10 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.'' And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'' Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
you ask the question of what is Sunday worship as though you don't know
The Lord's Supper is the 'remembrance sign' of the new covenant, like the Sabbath was for Israel in the old.Do you participate in communion service? If so, why?
Is it to remember what Jesus did for us or do you worship the bread and wine?
Israel never kept the Sabbath 'holy', and the 2010 SDA version is certainly not kept 'holy' either through church attendance.k4c said:Keeping the Sabbath holy, as God commands, is not worhiping the day, but rather, worshiping the one who commands us to keep the Sabbath holy.
You can gather in fellowship seven days a week and praise God if you do but you can't keep the seventh day holy seven days a week.
Then have faith in the Son for salvation. That is the will of the Father.k4c said:Obeying God over man is foundational for true worship.
The Sabbath was only a shadow of God's 'My Rest' that it symbolized. God's 'My Rest' is found ONLY through Jesus Christ, not by lame attempts at observing the sign of a covenant we are not under and never were under.k4c said:You can't say the Sabbath is seven days a week because the seventh day Sabbath is a literal day in which our sons, daughters, male and female servants, our working animals and even the stanger must cease secular labor as a means to acknowledge the holiness of the seventh day.
The battle is not over 'day worship', it is over 'Who worship'. Reaching conclusions about the former is the direct result of 'sound bite theology', which is just plain bad theology.k4c said:Now as far as Sunday worship goes, you ask the question of what is Sunday worship as though you don't know. I have to refer you to my website exposingantichrist.com because it is there that you will see the big picture and the spiritual battle over worship.
Developing theology from apocalyptic writings is where many sects have gone off the deep end. SDAism has isolated itself by calling all of Christianity (except for SDA's, of course -k4c said:Revelation 14:6-10 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people saying with a loud voice, "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.'' And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'' Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
The term is usually used one of two ways.
What is "Sunday worship?"
BFA
Lol.The term is usually used one of two ways.
Hope that helps.
- A derogatory term meant to divide the unity of the Body of Christ, and replace the liberty God has given us with the bondage of the former covenant.
- A mispelling of "sundae worship", invoking memories of creamy vanilla with hot chocolate fudge, hot August afternoons, and a cute wife-to-be sitting across the table. But of course the object of worship was really the wife-to-be, and we devoured the sundae.
A mispelling of "sundae worship", invoking memories of creamy vanilla with hot chocolate fudge, hot August afternoons, and a cute wife-to-be sitting across the table. But of course the object of worship was really the wife-to-be, and we devoured the sundae.
I seem to recall asking you to provide a reference where and when God commanded us (new covenant Christians and Gentiles) to abide by the sabbath that was merely a shadow of God's "My rest" He enjoyed since the seventh day of creation, that we have entered into by faith. That rest remained to be attained by the children of Israel, who had not acheived God's "My rest" throughout their entire time abiding by the covenant that contained the sabbath.Keeping the Sabbath holy, as God commands, is not worhiping the day, but rather, worshiping the one who commands us to keep the Sabbath holy.
Willy's in Alaska.Hahaha! Aren't you in Alaska? Don't you spend your days in muklucks sitting in an igloo?
I miss summer!
BFA
Willy's in Alaska.
I'm in Northern Colorado....
You know - Motorcycle country, Honda CB750 land of glory during the summer!
Well done. Can't really beat chocolate anything...A mispelling of "sundae worship", invoking memories of creamy vanilla with hot chocolate fudge, hot August afternoons, and a cute wife-to-be sitting across the table. But of course the object of worship was really the wife-to-be, and we devoured the sundae.
I understand it as shorthand of the same kind as the "morning worship" and "evening worship" that my grandparents instituted in their home when they converted to Adventism in the 1930s.What is "Sunday worship?"
I seem to recall asking you to provide a reference where and when God commanded us (new covenant Christians and Gentiles) to abide by the sabbath that was merely a shadow of God's "My rest" He enjoyed since the seventh day of creation, that we have entered into by faith. That rest remained to be attained by the children of Israel, who had not acheived God's "My rest" throughout their entire time abiding by the covenant that contained the sabbath.
You never did deliver on that request. God hasn't commanded us to abide by the sabbath, especially in light of a permanent rest He gave us that is inherently seven times superior to it.
welcome to the forum... you stated "end of story," I must ask for whom? Are you saying that its settled in your mind and you are fine with it, or are you saying that your comments have settled this issue and there are to be no more questions?There are infact to commandments which are not mentioned in the NT. The 3rd and 4th commandment. Does that mean we should no longer obey these two commands? No.
I would like to mention what Jesus said, when He was challenged by the legalistic pharisees. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a weekly holiday. It is a day where people do not have to worry about worldly stresses. They can sleep in, have a picnic with family and friends. Tell their children about God etc. The Sabbath is a day or rest God created. I find it rather ironic most of my friends wish they had a day where they did nothing!
Case in point the Sabbath still matters and is also for ones health. End of story.
There are infact to commandments which are not mentioned in the NT. The 3rd and 4th commandment. Does that mean we should no longer obey these two commands? No.
I would like to mention what Jesus said, when He was challenged by the legalistic pharisees. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is a weekly holiday. It is a day where people do not have to worry about worldly stresses. They can sleep in, have a picnic with family and friends. Tell their children about God etc. The Sabbath is a day or rest God created. I find it rather ironic most of my friends wish they had a day where they did nothing!
Case in point the Sabbath still matters and is also for ones health. End of story.
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