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Not from scripture. The first Church/Apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 13:44, Acts 13:42, Acts 18:4 and warned us what would happen after their death.Acts 20:29-30For Seventh Day Adventism it is their founders who set the trend as far as Saturday observance goes. Visions and prophecies were claimed as proofs of the doctrine. But from the early centuries of the Christianity era Sunday has been the day that Christians observed for worship and rest.
That's like saying "what is more important - not taking God's name in vain or believing in Jesus as Lord and Savior" -- it makes no sense.What is more important?
Keeping the sabbath or believing in Our Lord Jesus Christ as Son of God and true messiah.
They accepted "do not take God's name in vain" but rejected Christ. And your point??The jews believe in the first but reject the second!
false -- again.For Seventh Day Adventism it is their founders who set the trend as far as Saturday observance goes.
false -- again.Visions and prophecies were claimed as proofs of the doctrine.
Try finding a Bible text saying "every week-day-1" they gathered for worship, for gospel preaching the way we see it being stated for the Sabbath in places like Acts 18:4But from the early centuries of the Christianity era Sunday has been the day that Christians observed for worship and rest.
Why does there have to be a choice? Believing in our Lord Jesus Christ means we would believe and have faith in what He teaches and commands us and do them. Rev 22:14
The Sabbath is more than just a day, it is a memorial that we worship the one true God of Creation Exodus 20:11, which is the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7. Only God can sanctify us because we cannot sanctify ourselves. Eze 20:12
That's like saying "what is more important - not taking God's name in vain or believing in Jesus as Lord and Savior" -- it makes no sense.
Heb 8:6-12 informs us that Christ is the one speaking the TEN commandments where we find the Sabbath commandment.
Rejecting the Words of Christ - is not the primary way to "accept Christ"
They accepted "do not take God's name in vain" but rejected Christ. And your point??
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The reason that Sunday-keeping Adventists became Seventh-day Adventists when the Seventh-day Baptists mentioned this topic to them is that opposing arguments against the Sabbath were not substantive as we can see on this thread.
No, they choose keeping their traditions over the commandments of God Matthew 15:3-9 and they added to God's commandment Deut 4:2 which we are told not to. Subtracting from the commandments is just as grievous . Deut 4:2 because no one is above God and improve on His holy works Exodus 32:16Its a choice the Jews took. They chose the Sabbath over Our Lord Jesus Christ.
No, they choose keeping their traditions over the commandments of God Matthew 15:3-9 and they added to God's commandment Deut 4:2 which we are told not to. Subtracting from the commandments is just as grievous . Deut 4:2 because no one is above God and improve on His holy works Exodus 32:16
For Seventh Day Adventism it is their founders who set the trend as far as Saturday observance goes. Visions and prophecies were claimed as proofs of the doctrine. But from the early centuries of the Christianity era Sunday has been the
Alas for you that verse 28 shows the misuse of 29-30.Not from scripture. The first Church/Apostles kept every Sabbath Acts 13:44, Acts 13:42, Acts 18:4 and warned us what would happen after their death.Acts 20:29-30
He’s warning us about the false worship that will happen after they leave.Alas for you that verse 28 shows the misuse of 29-30.
"28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God,
which he bought with his own blood". Acts 20:28
That's the Apostolic Fathers Paul is talking about. Who were made overseers of the Church by the Holy Spirit, and whom you slander.
Agreed, but we can choose differently and worship Him in Truth John 4:23-24 and all of His commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151 and not to be edited Deut 4:2 and comes with a warning of doing so Pro 30:5-6They didnt choose Jesus.
You can find the Covenant made with the Nation of Israel - the nation covenant - in Ex 20 where the "ark of the covenant" is later built and the tablets of stone that include "Do not take God's name in vain" are placed inside the ark.The point being, the sabbath is for the old covenant. Its what the Jews
The Sabbath commandment for Christians is found in scripture.Sabbath for Christians is not like it is for the Jews.
The Sabbath commandment does not mention in the resurrection in either NT or OT.We celebrate Jesus and His resurrection.
Expect those Bible details to be ignored.In fact I quote it. Your distance from the text is not helping your case.
Your entire argument against the Bible Sabbath goes against the teaching of Christ in the case of Mark 7.
Mark 7:7-13
6 But He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written:‘This people honors Me with their lips,But their heart is far away from Me.7 And in vain do they worship Me,Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
Christ condemns them for the very thing you are arguing FOR in the case of the Sabbath commandment each time you say we need to edit/delete that part that is Ex 20:10 and Ex 20:11 from God's Commandment
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘The one who speaks evil of father or mother, is certainly to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’ 12 you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”That is devastating to your argument at we should be using tradition to edit/delete the Ex 20:10,11 text from the commandment since it specifies the dreaded "seventh day" and your wish is that it be removed from the commandment.
Indeed - he touches on the "Commandment of God" and condemns the idea of setting it aside via the "Traditions of man" -- the very thing you are arguing for .
Are we simply supposed to "not quote the text" (a you do) then ignore all the details in the text that you are skimming over?
Is that your "solution"?
So we are simply "Not supposed to notice"?
Please be serious.
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And in Matt 5 Jesus condemns those who argue that He is setting aside the Commandments.
Matt 5:17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! 19 Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
In Mark 2:23-28
1. The Sabbath was made FOR mankind
2. The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath (the LORD's Day)
3. vs 23 starts with the activity of David and no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force at the time of David. And we all know it.
4. In Matt 12:5 the same account is reported and we see that Christ lumps in the work of PRIESTS on the Sabbath in with the disciples' activity of working with Christ to spread the gospel and picking a handful of wheat as they walk with Christ on Sabbath.
no credible Bible scholar on Earth claims the Sabbath was not in full force as soon as the priests did their first Sabbath service since that is work of the priests. And we all know it..
All Christian bible translations - have this text after vs 7 saying "do not take God's name in vain"
Ex 20:
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 For six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; on it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male slave or your female slave, or your cattle, or your resident who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and everything that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day; for that reason the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
All Christian bible translations - have this text for Gen 2:1-3
Genesis 2:
2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
No wonder the Word of God says that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
No wonder the NT writers report "EVERY SABBATH" Gospel sermons Acts 18:4 to both gentiles and Jews and not one reference at all to "every week day 1 " Gospel sermons to gentiles and Jews
Expect that list to be ignoredYou claim some do not exist - so go ahead and list some of the ones you would like to claim "do not exist" from the list in the link you said you looked at.
while we wait... we also have this - with links
List of churches and movements
Sabbatarian Baptists
Sabbatarian Adventists
Sabbatarian Pentecostalists
- Adventist Church of Promise
- Churches of God (Seventh-Day)
- Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church
- Sabbath Rest Advent Church
- Seventh-day Adventist Church
- Seventh Day Adventist Reform Movement
- Shepherd's Rod (Davidian Seventh-day Adventists)
- United Sabbath-Day Adventist Church
- United Seventh-Day Brethren
Sabbatarian British Israelites / (Armstrongism)
- Nazareth Baptist Church
- Sabbatarian Pentecostalists, Ukraine, Oneness denomination, formed in the 1920s–1930s in the Western Ukraine, Poland
- Soldiers of the Cross Church
- True Jesus Church
Judaizers
- Church of God Assembly (CGA)
- Church of God: A Worldwide Association (COGWA)
- Church of God International (United States)
- Church of the Great God
- Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God
- Global Church of God
- House of Yahweh
- Intercontinental Church of God
- Living Church of God
- Philadelphia Church of God
- Restored Church of God
- United Church of God
Others
- Assemblies of Yahweh
- Black Hebrew Israelites
- Hebrew Roots Movement
- Makuya
- Messianic Judaism, some Messianic Jews observe Shabbat on Saturdays[1]
- Sacred Name Movement
- Yahweh's Assembly in Yahshua
- Subbotniks, the majority belonged to Rabbinic and Karaite Judaism, the minority to Christianity[2]
- Yehowists, a Russian Spiritual Christian millenarian movement founded in the 1840s
- Church of Christ (Fettingite)
- TheMillennium
- The Christ's Assembly
- Church of Israel
- Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
- House of Aaron
- Evangelical Association of the Israelite Mission of the New Universal Covenant (AEMINPU)
- Jemaat Allah Global Indonesia (JAGI), internationally known as Unitarian Christian Church of Indonesia (UCCI), headquartered in Semarang, Central Java, Indonesia[3]
- Remnant Fellowship, headquartered in Brentwood, Tennessee and founded in 1999 by Gwen Shamblin Lara[4]
- The Seventh-day Remnant Church[5]
- World Mission Society Church of God
- Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
- Ancient Foundations Bible Fellowship, Port Macquarie
- Founded in Truth Fellowship
You can find the Covenant made with the Nation of Israel - the nation covenant - in Ex 20 where the "ark of the covenant" is later built and the tablets of stone that include "Do not take God's name in vain" are placed inside the ark.
Note to readers; we still have "do no take God's name in vain" as a commandment - and almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth today affirms all TEN of the TEN commandments.
The fact that Jews and Christians "do not take God's name in vain" does not mean "they put that above Jesus"
RATHER it means that they actually READ the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 quoted verbatim in Heb 8.
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
The NEW Covenant writes the moral law of God on the heart -- the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers, the one that INCLUDES the TEN as Deut 5:22 points out "God spoke the TEN Commandments... and added no more"
The Sabbath commandment for Christians is found in scripture.
IT is in Exodus 20 -- right after the command not to take God's name in vain.
Every Christian denomination on planet Earth quotes from Ex 20:8-11 when asked to quote the Sabbath commandment found in the Word of God - as given by God in the TEN.
The Sabbath commandment does not mention in the resurrection in either NT or OT.
All references to the word "Sabbath" in the NT - as a weekly day of worship - are specifically talking about the 7th day - Saturday and every Christian denomination on planet Earth to day admits it.
Putting law and writing them in our hearts is literal language but it's about God putting His Spirit in our minds and our hearts. Not physically writing anything on our hearts etc. E.g. 2 Corins 3:3..You are a letter from Christ, the results of our ministry, written not with ink, but Spirit of the living God, Not on "tablets of stones" But on tablets of human hearts...You can find the Covenant made with the Nation of Israel - the nation covenant - in Ex 20 where the "ark of the covenant" is later built and the tablets of stone that include "Do not take God's name in vain" are placed inside the ark.
Note to readers; we still have "do no take God's name in vain" as a commandment - and almost every Christian denomination on planet Earth today affirms all TEN of the TEN commandments.
The fact that Jews and Christians "do not take God's name in vain" does not mean "they put that above Jesus"
RATHER it means that they actually READ the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34 quoted verbatim in Heb 8.
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
The NEW Covenant writes the moral law of God on the heart -- the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers, the one that INCLUDES the TEN as Deut 5:22 points out "God spoke the TEN Commandments... and added no more"
The Sabbath commandment for Christians is found in scripture.
IT is in Exodus 20 -- right after the command not to take God's name in vain.
Every Christian denomination on planet Earth quotes from Ex 20:8-11 when asked to quote the Sabbath commandment found in the Word of God - as given by God in the TEN.
The Sabbath commandment does not mention in the resurrection in either NT or OT.
All references to the word "Sabbath" in the NT - as a weekly day of worship - are specifically talking about the 7th day - Saturday and every Christian denomination on planet Earth to day admits it.
In any case Jer 31:31-34 makes it clear that it is God's Law that is written (no matter how you wish to redefine where or how He writes it on the person's heart). Exegesis demands that we accept the meaning of the term "My Law" in Jer 31 for the New Covenant as Jeremiah and his readers would have known the term.Putting law and writing them in our hearts is literal language
amen. But the issue is the term "Law" as Jeremiah and his readers would have known it - to get the right intended meaning of the text.but it's about God putting His Spirit in our minds and our hearts. Not physically writing anything on our hearts etc. E.g. 2 Corins 3:3..You are a letter from Christ, the results of our ministry, written not with ink, but Spirit of the living God, Not on "tablets of stones" But on tablets of human hearts...
Exegesis demands that we accept (rather than reject or simply "ignore") the meaning of the term as intended by the writer for his readers in Jer 31:31-34 -- when we talk about the NEW Covenant.All down to interpretation my friend.
So, is 2Corinthians 3:3 is not clear to you, how Paul used the OC law (ie 10 commandments on tablets of stones to mean the Spirit of God on human hearts)?. In the same way as temple, sacrifice, of the OT they all point to spiritual realities, ie All point to Christ.In any case Jer 31:31-34 makes it clear that it is God's Law that is written (no matter how you wish to redefine where or how He writes it on the person's heart). Exegesis demands that we accept the meaning of the term "My Law" in Jer 31 for the New Covenant as Jeremiah and his readers would have known the term.
Hence Deut 5:22 "He spoke these TEN... and added NO more" is helpful in understanding that instead of the ten most certainly NOT in God's commandments - it turns out - they most certainly ARE.
So then "do not take God's name in vain" remains.
amen. But the issue is the term "Law" as Jeremiah and his readers would have known it - to get the right intended meaning of the text.
Sacrifices use animals as symbols for the sacrifice of Christ. We can all see that.So,
So, is 2Corinthians 3:3 is not clear to you, how Paul used the OC law (ie 10 commandments on tablets of stones to mean the Spirit of God on human hearts)?. In the same way as temple, sacrifice, of the OT they all point to spiritual realities, ie All point to Christ.
Only He was perfect - but all mankind is still obligated not to take God's name in vain.Only Christ fulfilled "don't take God's name in vain"
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