Suicide Question (I think this is the right place?)

[The ZERO]

I was just wondering if anyone knew if you really went to Hell or not if you commited suicide. I've heard it's true, but I've heard people say it's also not true. I need to know where exactly it's stated that this is true, or if theres any way of finding out for certain. Thanks.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

I was just wondering if anyone knew if you really went to Hell or not if you commited suicide. I've heard it's true, but I've heard people say it's also not true. I need to know where exactly it's stated that this is true, or if theres any way of finding out for certain. Thanks.

Do you think there is a way to know that empirically or are you messing with us? You can't know that empirically, you cannot test something like that and then ave apostori knowledge on the fate of the soul of a suicide victim, that is simply a matter of faith. Now here are facts when you go to a hospital they ask you what is your religion, they ask you that to find out how likely you are to kill yourself. Catholics are way less likely to kill themselves than protestants due to the teachingof suicide being a mortal sin, meaning you go to hell no matter what, if you kill yourself, you skip purgatory and go straight to hell. If you can beat it into your head to believe that, convert to catholicism, suicide will become such a forbidden thought for you that no matter how ill you get you will not kill yourself. You'll get miserable you'll hate your life you'll wish God will end your life, but basically you'll won't be the one to do it, because you have converted to catholicism, and are completely convinced that to dispair is to insult God, to kill yourself is to go to hell.

This information is absolutely no help to people who have lost a loved one to suicide, so I am an atheist quite frankly, simply because that is what comforts me, I get no comfort from the thought of an all powerful being who could simply roast me because he thought it was morally the right thing to do, or was bound by some code. However if I thought converting to catholicism would prevent me from killing myself I would at least consider it, and try like to be like an agnostic pseudocatholic.

If anything I have said here in this post bothers you, give it no meaning and believe what you want, that is the best way to take it. Protestants actually have a high rate of suicide compared to catholics, that is a fact, and there is just something about being suicidal but less likely to kill yourself compared to the next guy simply because of your belief about hell and suicide.

It would be wrong to tell someone who lost someone to suicide that their loved one is like some play thing of saton now, but most people would probably tell you if you need to believe stuff like that to keep from killing yourself, then you go do that, but through proper psychiatric care, you an become a normal healthy being. You hang in there!

 

[tillyanne]

Hi Zero,
welcome to the forum.

For starters, why do you want to know?
Only because I started wondering that around the stage my depression hit a really bad spot, and i'm worried you may be thinking about taking your own life.
If so, we are here to encourage you and tell you that there is hope, and that you need to tell somebody safe in real life. If you need emergency help you can go to the nearest emergency room.

If not, there is a really long thread in the conservative christians forum that discusses it. You will not find anywhere in the Bible that explicitly states it, therefore it is a matter of interpretation.

 

[JenLove]

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[Jeshu]

I was just wondering if anyone knew if you really went to Hell or not if you commited suicide. I've heard it's true, but I've heard people say it's also not true. I need to know where exactly it's stated that this is true, or if theres any way of finding out for certain. Thanks.

Please look at spirituality - you are spirit!

High = Heavenly (ever going up)




level = worldy



low = under the earth - lowish.




deep= hellish! (ever going down)


To go to Heaven we have go High - ever higher is the Heavenly! God's loving truth takes us there!

Depression drags you down deeper and deeper into hellish - for there is no bottom in this pit! Dying means ever falling down this horrific isolated jail!

The problem with suicide is how can you repent from killing!

I know that suicide drags you down - it has me for years as well - hellish often and for years on end.

Yet please know that if you ask God to help you die to your depression, the Hellish will lift each time you ask for loving truth inside - and each time you give your depression to God. Until you are going the Heavenly way - honest God is better than GREAT!

However if you keep listening to depression than lies will fill your existence and lies don't hold-up to the truth - so you will keep falling - please do not HEED lies that is why things are SO bad! Your death doesn't save nor stop anything apart of being in your physical body, spiritually you will continue to exist, ever lower you will fall. (for God says the price for killing human life = is death!)

For can deeds done in lies ever be more than a horrific truth? Please understand such things - eating lies grows misery - eating God's loving truth - shall set you free!

Psalm 1

(read this with your heart!)

Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.

(See? don't listen to such thinking and feeling!)



But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
He is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.


(See? God's good comes like this!)



Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.
(Evil wrong will die but those who love God will live!)

 

[GryffinSong]

I can't speak to the biblical question, but if you are considering suicide, please, please get professional help. Find someone to talk with about your feelings, whether a minister, therapist, doctor, or suicide hotline.

I hope you'll let us know how you're doing.

 

[Jo1]

Dont know the bible doesnt really say. But depression is an illness and God is merciful to us and im sure wod give people a chance.

 

[The ZERO]

I don't know how to get professional help and I don't really feel like putting up with people. I'm just miserable all the time and theres no end to it. Sick of it.

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

There is something called psychotherapy and you need it, you may even need psychotropic drugs, so you hang in there and get the psychiatric care that you need to stay alive and happy, hang in there this too shall pass! If I were you, I would try to believe that to despair is to insult God, and if you throw away your life God will punish you for that. I know when I believed stuff like that it helped me to hang on till I got psychiatric care.

 

[EbonNelumbo]

Hi the Zero...

I am very sorry for your feelings and deep, agonizing pain. I understand what it's like to not care if you live or die, and just kind of meander through the day waiting for an escape.

I just got released from a psychiatric ward following a botched attempt and I assure you, I wish I hadn't had tried. I don't know what kind of familial support you have, or even if you have any, or what kind of friends you have, but I really think that the first step is talking to them. Maybe one of your family/friends have a good idea and will support you in getting therapy and talking to someone, though I realize you have said you don't feel like putting up with people, I understand that feeling all too well

I won't pretend to understand your pain, but I can relate to the end result of it, in wondering about death and wondering if suicide would be worth it...I can assure you it isn't. I don't know you, but I'd like to start, please don't hestitate to PM me, or find me on MSN (my info is in my profile) and I promise you I will do all I can to be here for you, even if you don't have anyone IRL.

You are loved by a God who knows know bounds, my brother. Please do not forget that. Though I realize it's probably not top of the dogpile for things to recall, maybe it will be one that can slowly creep through and make an impact.

As for your question, I used to always say, Yes, I do think you will go to hell, there is no doubt about it, because it's one sin you cannot be forgiven for. As I have grown in my faith, and my understanding of biblical priniciples, for myself, not to say I am right, please take what I say with a grain of salt, I have come to think that just as cancer kills the body, depression eats the soul and the end result can, too, be death...

I have rationalized my answer to be that, but somewhere inside I do still believe you will go to hell, because God will always be there for us, but if we choose not to be there for Him, it is our own fault.

Be blessed brother,
-Hallee

 

[svl3p]

the Bible states that once your name is in the Book of Life it stays there....so if you're a true Christian, which is between you and God, I believe you go to heaven...you can't lose salvation...

But please don't take this as an "great it's ok to kill myself" answer...it's never the answer God wants us to choose...please, call a hotline, find a pastor or counselor to talk to..get some sort of help...

 

[GryffinSong]

If you look in your yellow pages, there should be a listing for a suicide hot line. Please call them. They will know what support is available in your area.

Hugs and best wishes for a better tomorrow.

 

[Jeshu]

When we hear 'the voice' of suicide we ought to know that persistent killers have to be put to death - so the 'spirit/mood' of suicide has to die not you - that is why suicide feels so powerful inside - it has captivated your misery - so die to this urge to kill - and you shall be free from the need to murder yourself and also all the misery that you must now feel each time the need of suicide comes around!

So deny suicide access to your mind and see help urgently as both medication and counselling will help you enormously with this horrific pain you are carrying!


Never entertain thoughts of suicide - no agreeing - no planning - no hiding plans or suicidal feelings - you don't want death to trap you now do you?

Can you hear your heart - who do you agree with DEATH or LIFE? So that which chooses death within you - let it die - so you may live!

I have asked God to curse this urge inside of you! So please next time it demands your blood, give the need to kill to God and cry it out to Him - it is a very powerful urge though so be prepared for battle - but if you hand all of this need to God you shall receive His peace and be comforted instead of torn apart by these wild animals within.

(Please remember the loving advise of God - THOU SHALL NOT KILL - who would disagree with that you think, die to such things instead seeing it wants death so bad.

Praying you hear what I mean!

 

[Ariel]

Z, I believe you are deeply depressed. While I am not a professional counselor, I recognize the signs because I was there once too.

Depression is a chemical imbalance of the brain. Instead of entertaining these morbid thoughts, think about ways to combat your depression and turn your life into something awesome. You can get well.

If you are frozen, then you may need professional intervention. Anti-depressants are not addictive, and can help balance the chemistry of your brain. Talk therapy can also help, or even writing your thoughts in a journal.

Other helps are exercise, sunlight, vitamin D, dark chocolate, laughter. Laughter especially helps.

Avoid these: drugs, alcohol, allowing yourself to sleep excessively, eating unhealthy foods, entertaining negative thoughts. Instead get outside and walk, change your environment, read or watch something positive, eat foods that are good for you, and consider a good multi-vitamin. Ginseng and B vitamins especially may help, although you need to talk to your doctor first before taking supplements.

This is a good time also to look for God. God loves you, He can help, but you have to be willing to ask. Call on His name, "Jesus Christ" when you need help, He will be there and help you. It says "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved," Romans 10:13. I believe this is for anytime you need help. Call on Him. Worship, read Scripture out loud. Listen to praise music. Read the Word, if you can, or memorize parts. Psalm 91, for example, can help tremendously.

I am praying for you. Be blessed, my brother.

 

[EbonNelumbo]

Just letting you know I am still here if you want to entertain some thoughtage

 

[enchiladaair]

God is the ultimate judge. He judges on a one-on-one basis, not by the whole. God says, "thou shalt not kill". Suicide is taking your own life.

When things look down, remember that the best is yet to come.

 

[Criada]

Still praying for you, brother.
How are you doing?

 

[DoubtingThomas29]

I just thought I would say I e-mailed him, and he hasn't responded to me, and I hope he will come back here and let us know that he is doing better, or is thinking of ways to get better!